Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84310 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 49339 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2015 01:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Mar 2015 01:17:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.173 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.173 mail-wi0-f173.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.173] ([209.85.212.173:32958] helo=mail-wi0-f173.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 35/7D-56703-5CEA7F45 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 20:17:59 -0500 Received: by widem10 with SMTP id em10so32796439wid.0 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:17:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:from:date:to:cc :message-id; bh=i0Kz24c/bd0X0Bc6pZbUvrWCvAmpa7wGUuKzbBCpY38=; b=LxRKVpPNGHgKVrM7qcnbQFKGh5N7Z+OuXySy8kfUozrWcBJ3yCK/nUIqCctROyx6mN ZOg7zBgG+kfLVe1lvEd5bUeGUrbdVPx4OGx8NcAmz8c4me7XdI7UaB7j+ZmT42xpnbe8 d898Mwow2wt9hSgYAamqiEIED7/C0m0i1eW6FpzT2MEJxcl6nbRzMkTpOqVyoub3pV0d eOdwsjSRy/U2LEcWQNtqMJx+Z6vr8SjMSR4Vw4k+oVffZclZIAtswFKusfhmwGHU1sYS O1zmlZ2Bp2bgL2q55vy75mQev/lOptie04myOmkmLbzFdGHnP7K1Tjl8zzAz3uXT2RTi 7bCA== X-Received: by 10.180.85.103 with SMTP id g7mr59533175wiz.19.1425518274981; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc68956-brig15-2-0-cust215.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.6.24.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gf11sm9332157wic.18.2015.03.04.17.17.53 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:17:54 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <54F4E29D.7080501@garfieldtech.com> <54F4E93C.80206@gmail.com> <54F4EBEC.2090702@garfieldtech.com> <54F4F3FC.6060501@fischer.name> <54F4FDFB.8010701@lsces.co.uk> <54F5895D.3090002@gmail.com> <554F0C3F-770F-4694-A5AB-FDC54FCCBF00@gmail.com> <1FCB68B8-3E55-4B5D-B805-9D92D848A3A1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:16:49 +0000 To: Yasuo Ohgaki CC: "internals@lists.php.net" Message-ID: <5D8591E2-5AE6-4B4C-AAE0-3D15523410AC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Consistent function names From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 4 March 2015 21:27:53 GMT, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: >We cannot remove all issue at once. We are better to adopt incremental >improvement, aren't we? I think this, more than anything else, is where I disagree (having been persuaded by arguments in previous discussions). Incremental improvements mean having the cost of change multiple times, and the benefit just a promise for the future. It's like living in a building site while rebuilding your house - sometimes necessary, but not what you'd choose. If we have two names with no other fixes now, then later a third name, or some magic flag, which fixes the argument order and error behaviour, then go through and tidy up, we'll end up with a whole flow chart of "if you need to support version X, use Y; if you find a tutorial using A, replace with B..." Some such change is inevitable - a huge number of tutorials became out of date when ext/mysql was deprecated, for instance - but it's not something to do "little and often" just to make things "a little bit better". Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]