Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84296 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 99164 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2015 17:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Mar 2015 17:04:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.50 mail-wg0-f50.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.50] ([74.125.82.50:37344] helo=mail-wg0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 90/06-56703-A0B37F45 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 12:04:11 -0500 Received: by wggx13 with SMTP id x13so7845448wgg.4 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 09:04:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=//SrpuBfPA03KnSWG4usICezSuOV4MxYPMDfNeyYCRo=; b=t5f6h+UsSBWLQ9AASA2ApnApwbOHTFJeHLL4J9UX8fIH+rT1x+CtdBm/8Miwk+jxGU 9dR0dTZTHG81R4lFygCfifIL5M/iCR7ZrG3NVDhNKxi9ol+rrkFkw9fGOcpHZ3CUpDlZ 6RuWbElGd1W2r+xtG/YL+zIhxGkedrGwUra3tQ/XgWgm/fiNC9Y+bshk6eH2zr5fD3oN wFToH6UI+pLq/do+/I9D8PWMygFMdORwhq+PmVp+zofmioOtVAilahMLaVcqMxwIW9vI r+R8JG+AR+J+ISDxYnvVYC8EJ0aFPwQgI6cxqFgygeSSeCsDTtn3YBZesFUj+tugnbb0 +SZw== X-Received: by 10.194.77.99 with SMTP id r3mr9633264wjw.149.1425488646964; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 09:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.159] ([62.189.198.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dm6sm7890151wib.22.2015.03.04.09.04.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Mar 2015 09:04:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54F73ACD.5050700@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:03:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <54F4E29D.7080501@garfieldtech.com> <54F4E93C.80206@gmail.com> <54F4EBEC.2090702@garfieldtech.com> <54F4F3FC.6060501@fischer.name> <54F4FDFB.8010701@lsces.co.uk> <54F5895D.3090002@gmail.com> <554F0C3F-770F-4694-A5AB-FDC54FCCBF00@gmail.com> <54F72360.6000702@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Consistent function names From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:24 AM Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> Yasuo, please stop. This isn't going to happen. Changing strlen() to >> str_len() is just ridiculous. -Rasmus Trevor Suarez wrote on 04/03/2015 15:33: > ... well that's a constructive way of going about it. I don't think Yasuo > did anything harmful or rude in making his proposal. Regardless of how > realistic the idea may be, I don't think its ever appropriate or > constructive to tell someone to simply "stop" because something "is just > ridiculous". It's a bit of a crotchety answer, yes, but at this stage pretty much everything has already been said (a) in this thread, and (b) in similar threads every few months going back as long as I've been subscribed to the list, and undoubtedly for a long time before that. If Rasmus has seen this conversation several times a year for the last 20 years, with the same conclusions every time, I don't blame him for being a bit tired of it. There have been some alternatives suggested - come up with a change with a compelling advantage rather than tweaking the names - so if you're looking for something constructive, help move those ideas forward, rather than flogging the dead horse. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]