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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:58:50 -0500
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To: Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Consistent function names
From: michaeljs1990@gmail.com (Michael Schuett)

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So i find this kind of odd since you use err every other place in bz. but
this is a minor nitpick.


   - bz_error =E2=86=92 bzerror
   - bz_error_str =E2=86=92 bzerrstr

Overall I fell this change would be nice for new people coming to PHP and
alienate some long time users. We also run the risk at this point that
Python has run into with 2 vs 3 which has enough minor changes that no one
is moving over and just ended up with people supporting 2 longer and not
moving to 3. I feel we can learn from their mistakes. I would vote yes for
this but I see why others would not.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Michael Schuett <michaeljs1990@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>> Your evaluation is pretty anecdotal. I agree with some points but you
>> need some solid evidence if you are going to rate these languages. Also =
do
>> you have a list of all the functions you would like to rename or is this=
 a
>> sweeping lets just change everything so it matches and deprecate all the
>> old stuff. Your matrix is a very weak push to do so. If you want to make
>> these changes it would be better to choose a select set such as the arra=
y
>> functions and try and push that through or see what that change might lo=
ok
>> like and if it's really beneficial to userland.
>
>
> I agree that my evaluation is subjective. For example, I rate PHP has "1"
> security only
> because PHP is very weak against script/file inclusions because it's fata=
l
> and other
> languages apps do not have script/file inclusions as PHP apps do. Others
> might
> rate "2" or even "3" because it is too easy to fix it even if incident is
> fatal.
> (Security should be evaluated by "how difficult to make mistakes", not
> "how easy to
> fix mistakes" generally. IMHO)
>
> I made list of rename candidates
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/consistent_function_names#list_of_functions_to_b=
e_renamed
> If you have suggestions, I appreciate!
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Yasuo Ohgaki
> yohgaki@ohgaki.net
>
>

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