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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:21:14 +0200
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To: Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com>, PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmaxell@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:54 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Dmitry Stogov; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
>
> Zeev,
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmaxell@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:21 PM
> >> To: Dmitry Stogov
> >> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Jordi Boggiano; PHP Internals
> >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced
> >>
> >> Dmitry,
> >>
> >> > Sneaky sneaky. Also completely fake.
> >>
> >> It's been brought to my attention that some people have taken what I
> >> said completely out of context and insinuated it as a direct insult to
> >> you.
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > I'm not sure how calling what Dmitry did sneaky (adj. furtive,
> > stealthy; deceptive, deceitful) and fake (ajd. counterfeit, false) is
> > not an
> insult.
> > You could have picked wrong, problematic, inadequate, poor - or a
> > dozen other adjectives that don't literally claim that Dmitry did it
> > intentionally to give an unfair advantage to the PHP implementation
> > (which, just in case anybody's wondering, you also wrote literally,
> > using the word 'intentionally' in the previous sentence.
> >
> > You're not clairvoyant and you have no idea whether Dmitry did it
> > intentionally or not, and the adjectives you used mean negative intent.
> >
> > If you apologize, apologize for real and not with disclaimers that it
> > was taken out of context.  It wasn't.
> >
> > And I have no idea why I had to bring it to your attention.  If
> > somehow you slipped, you should have fixed it yourself immediately.
>
> I had intended it as a remark about the code. Not about him personally

I read the email again and again, and I don't see any possibility to read
what you wrote in any other way other than blaming the code author (Dmitry)
for being sneaky and intentionally faking the test.  Sneaky code would
either be code that performs something very different from what one would
expect (that's not our case here), or code that was written by the author
with the intent of doing something sneaky.

>, not about you, not about Zend.

I'm not sure why it even needs to be brought up, this has nothing to do with
anybody but Dmitry.  Which made it worse in my book, as he's is one of the
most honest people I've ever bumped into.

> PS: Dmitry accepted my apology. Can you please?

Yes.

Zeev