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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:21:51 +0100
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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	Albert Casademont Filella <albertcasademont@gmail.com>, Benjamin Eberlei <kontakt@beberlei.de>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The Game Theory of Scalar Type Hint Voting
From: pajousek@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Kou=C5=99il?=)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message----> From: Leigh [mailto:leight@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:56 PM
>> To: Albert Casademont Filella
>> Cc: Benjamin Eberlei; PHP Internals
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The Game Theory of Scalar Type Hint Voting
>>
>> On 23 February 2015 at 21:15, Albert Casademont Filella
>> <albertcasademont@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I like it! That's what I proposed to Anthony (and Andrea before)
>> > before Zeev presented their alternative, to held a double vote on the
>> > strict vs weak feature. It was not met with much enthusiasm, hope they
>> > change their minds with your proposal!
>>
>> Except a dual vote is probably not going to work in favour of strict vs.
>> weak.
>>
>> Why would anyone who wants purely strict vote for "Yes (strict)", when
>> they
>> know that "Yes (weak)" is going to have the majority. It boils down to
>> voting
>> Yes for something you don't want. I don't think it will convert votes at
>> all.
>> _If_ I wanted _strict only_ and I was presented with "Yes (strict)", "Yes
>> (weak)", and "No" and could see the weak vote winning by a clear margin, I
>> would vote No.
>
> Leigh,
>
> There isn't a weak-only proposal on the table.  There's the original one
> (dual mode) and the coercive one.  Both have both strict and dynamic
> elements in them.
> I think that what Anthony proposed about a week or so ago, of having both
> votes, and if both pass 2/3 - have another vote to choose between them
> (where a simple majority wins) - makes the most sense in this uncharted
> territory.
> I think that opening the votes at the same time is probably a good idea.
>
> Zeev
>
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Well, one thing that would help apart from opening them at the same
time is also making the results not public until the voting ends (but
I'm not sure if this isn't prohibited by the RFC voting process
guidelines).

Regards
Pavel Kouril