Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:83637 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18660 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2015 07:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Feb 2015 07:30:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.181 mail-pd0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.181] ([209.85.192.181:43530] helo=mail-pd0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 96/E1-09240-8A82CE45 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:30:49 -0500 Received: by pdev10 with SMTP id v10so31428571pde.10 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:30:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PIolSCwDtQencnEn44UCeKNTVDIA242Z3ydRgAp2gNM=; b=COF61v3wen/CzJunPjHQZ5/1S8M5L9IQM7HTr6MvjvFRGrPhN4Jlnd/bZzzUlEvrTR j8jiPicKKgxA4WtQkLhuASdwRGjkqnMm0CkrQXs6WLPQpK++DncnsY/guDwwvrjzAdbn GHEWQWuDo8dBeCptPBsbTCs3t/wU2dqR+1leakFGqbVEWxZEsWo6x/XGjV6ZRjlGcYQ3 dlhOya7JSpqF+XqXCGG6qS0KQe+om0IqxWBtw6/GFa9l716I+4mzJayR/uMDE9iL996s WQqlX6vVOZ13VNzVVHnoJp+Ot5gDPg6Pm7+ZKJMzn0hLIAteHV4k4C4hXvzlqWLk23W7 AC3w== X-Received: by 10.67.24.35 with SMTP id if3mr26331150pad.99.1424763046004; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Air.local (108-66-6-48.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [108.66.6.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gf9sm12255910pbd.95.2015.02.23.23.30.44 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:30:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54EC28A2.9000709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:30:42 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye , Rowan Collins CC: PHP internals References: <382DAB41-094A-44F4-A50A-EF7AF2FAE852@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > The same applies to private mails about open topics, rfc or patch to try to > get one to change her mind. This is not acceptable and will never be, to my > eyes at least. I think it's completely OK to discuss whatever matters people like to discuss anywhere, as long as this does not hurt the discussion on the list (and so far it doesn't look like we're suffering from the lack of discussion, judging by over 50 emails still waiting to be read in my mailbox just from the recent round of typing discussion). I.e. saying something like "we must accept this proposal because of reasons we discussed on IRC" is not OK. But talking to people in private and arguing and maybe getting them to change their mind (isn't it the ultimate goal of discussion?) - there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, if you have a good argument that could convince people, airing it in public could be more effective since it could convince more people, but I don't see why that would prohibit private conversations or make them somehow "madness". -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com