Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:83471 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94416 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2015 13:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Feb 2015 13:12:42 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.223.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.171 mail-ie0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.171] ([209.85.223.171:42954] helo=mail-ie0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D9/F2-09723-9C5D9E45 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:12:41 -0500 Received: by iecrp18 with SMTP id rp18so17667095iec.9 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:12:39 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=gMVkMAV2Vwm7KGaEDxcPmdduinrbSdAuN+1D8LE/9hs=; b=EcdvT96xAiGUVaX6qgII/McOfTJ9qY1BdExsB6EEFxQUxy2Pt6oONA1gzD3Ol6+TsZ WZkXssZeP7CbEICh5V8pLnxFi6s2b6hACNtoSPZKvigPUFC6KTo/YLD1ZKdagiEst8jm adIoAT0JtIdRugwZWQuv3/wWliFOvlG+XK0XZGny8bgj6c7SSGVM7xbafE9aaUc7yvfz /978WFc1MbxP6bAg7yhcqBQHeD57lPGMjmg8+95WtGkk0zzn4l5K/Xz8ak1njAWnPmUl 8KpXOCkeQ054yckyA4AGq3XuWXk2RDMuDHpYHSMNLsuG7O+Hmv5cYOx0yl5W1sVqHf8b wLzg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmvXxul75Pprw+IUnxCVgRHJK3eiCnn+SNd+YKatxQg3xbkcLS/5ZstGZZZBfrMCNjuzqmIoPPXuDKrURP1E6gh8ve0PgmplNzKl1F5OU91dXC/ALwa2OGEz6JKLSd2h9yr5PihfYl9zENYSEI2huEsTTBIKw== X-Received: by 10.107.15.96 with SMTP id x93mr8213827ioi.75.1424610759113; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:12:39 -0800 (PST) References: <7ef509ef10bb345c792f9d259c7a3fbb@mail.gmail.com> <8250289916f5128b5bc1a114428d374e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKcPg+jpyYspJS11b5G1A7RBHpKTgFW66vOANg4ZZIBOJUt6QGCFVBlmz11PBA= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:12:38 +0200 Message-ID: To: Etienne Kneuss Cc: PHP internals , Anthony Ferrara Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) From: Etienne Kneuss [mailto:colder@php.net] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 3:00 PM To: Anthony Ferrara; Zeev Suraski Cc: PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Coercive Scalar Type Hints RFC > The question is rather: at what weight should we take (potential/future) > external tools into account when developping language features? Agreed! My answer - "Static Analyzers need to be designed for Languages, rather than Languages being designed for Static Analyzers". Will send additional thoughts on Static Analysis on a separate, off-list email to put this argument to rest as both Anthony and agreed to. Zeev