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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:33:46 -0800
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations v0.5)
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre.php@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:52 PM
>> To: Zeev Suraski
>> Cc: PHP internals
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
>> v0.5)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>> To discuss at an idea or concept at events and co? Indeed. We all do that.
>> The difference is how to move it to a group discussions and grab other
>> people thoughts to actually get it done, with consensus. The latter part
>> is
>> totally absent using your process.
>
> What exactly are we discussing here?  My email to Sara yesterday?  Or your
> gripes with how PHPNG was handled?
> I have no intention to discuss the latter, as it's been beaten to death ages
> ago;  And everything you're bringing up appears to be completely
> disconnected to the former, which was supposedly the trigger to your email.
> If it's just an excuse to reopen the PHPNG discussion, I'm not going to play
> along with it.

I am discussion how things should ideally done. I use examples to show
why what is currently becoming or already is a standard way to do
things is actually causing arms to the project as a whole.

> Focusing on my email to Sara (and several others), there is NOTHING, nothing
> wrong with a bit of private communications trying to gauge support,
> opposition, gaps and sort out differences before going for a public
> discussion.  Personally I think it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise, and
> it's completely equivalent to the stuff you stated 'we all do'.  But
> obviously you're entitled to a different opinion, including one that thinks
> my position is ridiculous.

 I have made my point clear and the recent events show me that I am
right to stick to my point, stubbornly and honestly. Nothing you can
say will make me think that any of these things were totally fine to
be handled this way. So let spare our bored readers some time and
bandwidth: I am done with this discussion here.

Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

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