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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:21:41 +0200
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations v0.5)
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre.php@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:52 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Using Other Channels (was Scalar Type Declarations
> v0.5)
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
> To discuss at an idea or concept at events and co? Indeed. We all do that.
> The difference is how to move it to a group discussions and grab other
> people thoughts to actually get it done, with consensus. The latter part
> is
> totally absent using your process.

What exactly are we discussing here?  My email to Sara yesterday?  Or your
gripes with how PHPNG was handled?
I have no intention to discuss the latter, as it's been beaten to death ages
ago;  And everything you're bringing up appears to be completely
disconnected to the former, which was supposedly the trigger to your email.
If it's just an excuse to reopen the PHPNG discussion, I'm not going to play
along with it.

Focusing on my email to Sara (and several others), there is NOTHING, nothing
wrong with a bit of private communications trying to gauge support,
opposition, gaps and sort out differences before going for a public
discussion.  Personally I think it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise, and
it's completely equivalent to the stuff you stated 'we all do'.  But
obviously you're entitled to a different opinion, including one that thinks
my position is ridiculous.

Thanks,

Zeev