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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:32:54 +0200
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
Cc: Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev)

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmaxell@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:48 PM
>> To: Zeev Suraski
>> Cc: francois@php.net; Sara Golemon; PHP internals
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
>>
>> Zeev et al,
>>
>> Because it
>> **wasn't** a compromise (neither side had to give up anything). It gave
>> both
>> sides exactly what they want and need while letting them work together
>> transparently.
>
> If it gave both sides exactly what they wanted, how come it generated so
> much objection?
>
> Simply put, because it absolutely doesn't give both sides what they wanted.
> Many (most?) of those who opposed it opposed it because they believe making
> zval.type as prominently available as the RFC did is bad for PHP.
> Consequently, this whole 'adding both gives everyone what they want' is
> simply wrong.

I agree that it doesn't give everybody what they want - it only gave
weak hint supporters *all* that they want.

Many also objected because strict typing was only opt-in and could
never affect the caller's code unless the caller explicitly declares
that they want to do that. You're ignoring that and you're twisting it
the other way around.

Cheers,
Andrey.