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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:26:49 +0100
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints
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Arvids,

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I=E2=80=99m afraid you=E2=80=99re still more naive than I am. =
Don=E2=80=99t you understand it=E2=80=99s dead ?

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Even before Sara took over 0.3, they decided to revive Andrea=E2=80=99s =
v 0.1 with no change. The fight will take place between both. Our only =
right is to enlist in one camp and yell with the mass.

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We intended to explore missing hints, union types, ZPP conversions. They =
just want to talk about the declare() syntax. Do you see the gap ? Oh =
yes, if you insist, you will be told all your concerns are premature. =
You will work on that later, when BC makes it impossible, or wait for =
8.0.

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I was surprised we could have a window to propose something creative, =
focusing on other concerns than this stupid declare() J. Imagine, we =
could have proposed something *without* a declare(). It would have been =
terrible. All this energy lost arguing about an unneeded directive ! =
Now, it=E2=80=99s clear. Declare() strikes back !

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I know that=E2=80=99s frustrating but I also guess that our work would =
have been useless as everything would have been rejected. So, it may be =
better this way. Just enjoy the upcoming show. It has started already.

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Regards

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Fran=C3=A7ois

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De : Arvids Godjuks [mailto:arvids.godjuks@gmail.com]=20
Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 17 f=C3=A9vrier 2015 01:17
=C3=80 : Sara Golemon; francois
Cc : Philip Sturgeon; Jefferson Gonzalez; Rowan Collins; PHP internals
Objet : Re: [PHP-DEV] Reviving scalar type hints

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Might I remind everyone that time is not on our side here - feature =
freeze is looming and actual work has to be done.
The part you must understand is: Strict type hints are possible if =
someone cares to implement them with a next RFC. Be our guest. Right now =
we need to sort out the basic stuff - the missing numeric/mixed/resource =
hints, the ability to define mixed hints and make it all consistent. =
Maybe even fix/change some of conversion rules as a result (i'm just =
giving an example here).

Gives us some time to gather our thought, discuss stuff and do the =
update to the RFC. Asuming stuff and pointing fingers before new version =
is out is just distracting.


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