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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:22:36 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposing [constructive] solutions (was: I quit)
From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 16:31 +0100, François Laupretre wrote:
> > De : Rowan Collins [mailto:rowan.collins@gmail.com]
> >
> > Saying "that's enough" isn't even a productive comment. Enough what?
> > What is it you are asking to happen next?
> 
> Maybe an initiative to write an RFC about the rules we should follow
> when writing to the list. People who agree could show their support by
> a vote. The vote would never end and would just mean 'I agree and will
> try to follow these rules'. It probably already exists somewhere but
> refreshing it wouldn't be useless. It's purely symbolic but, once
> people explicitly show strong support, it becomes an opposable
> reference.

I'm mostly absent myself for some time now, so I have no idea how bad it
recently became but some comments:

RFC 1855[1] exists, even though it is just an "FYI" and not an official
accepted standard.

I don't believe extra rules are needed, but maturity by the majority of
the participants is, so i.e. if discussions become personal or anything
don't go to the same level but continue the discussion on a "sane" topic
etc. Also it would be great if there were people to moderate discussions
- not in the meaning of "pre censorship" but by collecting arguments
into summaries, stepping in (on- and even more off-list) if discussions
fade away to bring them back on topic etc. such a thing takes a hell lot
of time and bring the individual even less merits than most other form
of contributions but can help the community a lot!

johannes

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855