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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 13:24:13 -0500
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To: Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com")

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Hi Andrea,

I totally see your viewpoint. That's why initially I voted "YES", because
your proposal somehow makes sense.
My when I thought over and use a weak/strict boolean type conversion on my
own brain, I came to the conclusion my real wish does not get fully
addressed with a "YES", leading me to switch my vote.
I really wanted to expose the motivation of my change here, so everyone is
aware that I do love strict typing, and I really want this in for PHP, but
not in this RFC way.

[]s,

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me> wrote:

> Hi Guilherme,
>
> > On 9 Feb 2015, at 18:12, guilhermeblanco@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I read again and again the RFC and I just decided to switch my vote.
> > Originally a "YES" voter, I'm now a "NO" voter. I still want strict typ=
es
> > to exist in PHP, and not only at the end-user level, but also at the
> > internals level (I can see so many optimizations around...).
> > However, I think it's not an INI setting or a per file operation. I
> > consider it should be (at the current PHP's pace) a heavily flexible
> > support. I tend to agree that if you put "string" in its definition, yo=
u
> > don't want a weak type, but strict type, the same way when you put
> MyClass
> > instead of nothing.
> >
> > That's why I don't agree with the declare or "use strict" or <?php
> strict.
> > If I say "string $foo", I want a string, not a converted value. By
> > accepting this fact, makes easier in the future to make OO primitive
> types
> > if we wish, and also makes everything easier for everyone... if you hav=
e
> > foo(string $name), you expect strict type... if you want weak type,
> > foo($name). All code will work as is today, no BC breaks.
> >
> > That's my 2 cents... now time to update my vote in RFC.
>
> I can understand that viewpoint, but it=E2=80=99s not terribly kind on yo=
ur users.
> You=E2=80=99re basically saying that you want to force people who=E2=80=
=99d prefer weak
> typing to use strict typing if they use your API. It=E2=80=99s doing this=
 which
> this RFC is designed to prevent. I don=E2=80=99t think allowing people to=
 force
> their way on their users is a good way to deal with the lack of weak or
> strict consensus in the community, no matter whether it=E2=80=99s nice fo=
r API
> design or not.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Andrea Faulds
> http://ajf.me/
>
>
>
>
>


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