Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:82267 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21801 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2015 11:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 2015 11:08:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.214 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.214 mail4-2.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.214] ([217.147.176.214:38787] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 21/4E-50460-D1598D45 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 06:08:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 14042 invoked by uid 89); 9 Feb 2015 11:08:11 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 14036, pid: 14039, t: 0.0783s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.8?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@86.189.147.37) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 9 Feb 2015 11:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <54D8951A.4060004@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:08:10 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <8703B53E-2C4A-4AC6-95C4-D4F19C6D5221@ajf.me> <54D5659D.5000602@php.net> <54D7A6DB.3050209@seld.be> <74136F1E-817F-4A33-8228-B47045DD65C3@ajf.me> <54D7EB44.9010005@gmail.com> <54D7F972.4010107@seld.be> <2013B2A4-74E6-4452-8A48-E749DCBEA2EF@zend.com> <6C020C7F-85C0-4C88-8766-48CEDA6290F8@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <6C020C7F-85C0-4C88-8766-48CEDA6290F8@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On 09/02/15 10:44, Andrea Faulds wrote: > There is no consensus whatsoever. To suggest there is would be to grossly exaggerate. I am just happy that to force change through a 2/3rds majority is required. If there was a consensus then the debate would not have been so extensive, but while the continuing chant of 'you don't have to use it' prevails, we end up with a lot of additional overheads just to keep a small number of users happy. In the case of this vote, the vote itself IS flawed as two different additions ARE being pushed together, and personally I feel that the yes vote IS being distorted by those who want weak typing and could not care less about strong typing. That neither of the proposed solutions actually provide a complete solution for either camp is a shame. I do understand why many of these extras can't simply be user selectable extensions, but just how many of the 'core' modules are actually needed for a basic PHP server. Yes I need 'typing' but I need a version that handles the types I am using not some rather limited subset, and improvements in PHP7 has increased the need for a proper typing system which scalar type hints does nothing to address :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk