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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Dragging the legacy users forward.
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

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Tony Marston wrote on 09/02/2015 10:07:
> There may not be an actual RFC for any of these *YET*, but the 
> revolutionaries are still out there, plotting and scheming in their 
> dark corners. They will be the ones who leap on an innocent-sounding 
> feature and silently convert it to something more insidious.

Seriously!? PHP's decision process is wide open to scrutiny, and 
controversial features are nearly always loudly debated, to the point of 
holding up progress at times. The idea that someone could somehow slip a 
critically breaking change into the language *insidiously* is utterly 
ridiculous, and an insult to all the people who work hard honestly 
trying to make the language better for everyone.

> Just look at how "type hinting" has been turned into "type 
> enforcement" as an example. 

OK, I'll look; I'll look at how many hours of debating it's generated, 
and how many different points of view have been put in, and how hard 
Andrea has worked to make the current proposal a compromise which breaks 
the deadlock. This is so completely the opposite of "revolutionaries 
plotting in dark corners" that the comparison is laughable.

Keep your conspiracy theories for Youtube, and concern yourself with the 
real proposals that are actually happening, all of which are evolutions 
of the language.

Regards,
-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]

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