Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:82237 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68369 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2015 08:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 2015 08:17:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.48 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.48 mail-qg0-f48.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.48] ([209.85.192.48:60608] helo=mail-qg0-f48.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1F/43-50460-11D68D45 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:17:22 -0500 Received: by mail-qg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id a108so20308305qge.7 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 00:17:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ggwH2xRUudNT2QRFS9WI3grttQdLbi3h4q0I5tMSqRw=; b=qkMryaBg7L1RQGzA2YfI8jdCSFS69pawK8n62ngNjxlp+Af7SiZggkTMlH4Ags+KgQ wCUHOCOZ4BUpXXwigdGa07E/BkesfY1L934fG9g1qEb8ObiGw/wodJn1kZJGDTtI6Ok8 3XUGR3pGVa/rkne++wosIJRLUt1ma1xlIiEwh/0TE7U79wHyHn9RCQbWyMl+q44NR1XP OveRoFyCK19Gm0aEwMiHeiCmr/Z5jO83xnpY3e/FiFFuoOQFcJYyPGyLx9sE+2FHMf8T s+2ZeU09b+rat2oWQy7b4PlAaQDAmMJbYm6sCHAMKlnyYmH6+B9R29canw7MxFJO7zyu h9uw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.114.74 with SMTP id d10mr23616453qcq.5.1423469838618; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 00:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.185.37 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:17:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8703B53E-2C4A-4AC6-95C4-D4F19C6D5221@ajf.me> <54D5659D.5000602@php.net> <54D7A6DB.3050209@seld.be> <0a344270616df2c33c8a1f5db2df08a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:17:18 +0700 Message-ID: To: Dmitry Stogov Cc: Matthew Leverton , Zeev Suraski , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Dmitry Stogov wrote: > this is more or less true. :( > The proposal is presented in an unfair way to include strict typing without > the ability to vote for weak types only. > > Despite of semantic arguments, the implementation is a bit immature and > introduces slowdown for any code without type hints. Hm, I have a bad feeling about this argument popping up again now. I did not see any significant perf degradation using common apps but I ask Matt to run some tests again using the PR vs master, let discuss actual subjective numbers instead of raising the performance impact blocker :) Cheers, Pierre