Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:82217 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28119 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2015 03:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 2015 03:48:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.172 mail-we0-f172.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.172] ([74.125.82.172:63799] helo=mail-we0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 15/04-26926-12E28D45 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 22:48:50 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id k48so3315774wev.3 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:48:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=xzfIKPAO543NA8CdnLo97ZTpfIwLW1MvS5pzxu4W4Ds=; b=gb8UP5lGiDNH1B+DK35D6n+U7slLJ5lbJWaG+EYBjAK7fKGOWEyWxmvK1ZyAhHCAc2 OCcT9noqivsR6UZ73LlsSfTMEMROaxGJhVbq0kzu72XlBzfdNvNuM+PMNErBpLr+DbyG quu7HHZgyIHGLuacLL+gYjvy08st1ayLoJD2786ctULVdV21OrM0W10wC6JhMJjOv0ac TmgKa4oL/8d/N/b7ayGdU+oSLFvW2NkP6r65wu73zcMA+madIkBLuLotpmmsTXsyMExk m42D94ZDR/SgeJuVbUkapz7fMFOzjR4DcQKoHnmEeI7m8l4bqEQHOgtWGk7jSNZgZd5C rDzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQneYgjU0FDIDCULxorcsUzMqSfZoM0v+mJVpL40McXE0rp2gaiTfguJRR9s9GSNSVfOQBrWzaQ/zkse0SLCou1hCpoJ0Yy6y8QtxJwaTqCi0C4oWsNSC5K5T8vneOU+ExpPqV8G2hgZ8CQ8neTungjevJOSRQ== X-Received: by 10.180.91.5 with SMTP id ca5mr16483068wib.13.1423453726819; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([77.127.154.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pr9sm14511151wjc.4.2015.02.08.19.48.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12B466) In-Reply-To: <54D7F972.4010107@seld.be> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 05:48:46 +0200 Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <2013B2A4-74E6-4452-8A48-E749DCBEA2EF@zend.com> References: <8703B53E-2C4A-4AC6-95C4-D4F19C6D5221@ajf.me> <54D5659D.5000602@php.net> <54D7A6DB.3050209@seld.be> <74136F1E-817F-4A33-8228-B47045DD65C3@ajf.me> <54D7EB44.9010005@gmail.com> <54D7F972.4010107@seld.be> To: Jordi Boggiano Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > On 9 =D7=91=D7=A4=D7=91=D7=A8=D7=B3 2015, at 02:04, Jordi Boggiano wrote: >=20 >> On 08/02/2015 23:24, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> There's zero or virtually zero controversy surrounding the weak typing RFC= , >> the one that was v0.1. The controversy wasn't (and isn't) about what was= in >> v0.1, but rather, about what wasn't in there, namely, strict typing; Not= in >> the contents of the v0.1 RFC itself, which, again, had zero controversy >> around and is effectively being voted on as an integral part of the curre= nt >> RFC. You have virtually all of the supporters of strict typing voting in= >> favor of the current RFC, also voting in favor of the v0.1 elements which= >> are an integral part of it. >=20 > By this logic, the current proposal also does not take anything away from w= eak-typing proponents (which I guess I am a part of FWIW). It lets everyone b= e happy in their corner. >=20 > I don't see how this is worse than one side winning by ignoring the other.= It's simple. We have two proposals here, A and B. A - has pretty much everybody agreeing with is a good idea. Nobody objects t= o it. It's under consensus. B - has a large number of people thinking it's alien to PHP, and has many pe= ople objecting to it. The vote is on A+B. Zeev