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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com> wrote:
> I have to say I=E2=80=99m pretty disappointed at the opening of the vote.
> We had a pretty good RFC (thank you) for weak type hinting which was alig=
ned with the spirit of PHP and everyone was able to rally around it.
> This has now been morphed into something very hard to swallow and IMO hav=
ing such a declare(=E2=80=A6) syntax will be ridiculed by the broader app d=
ev community until the end of time=E2=80=A6 But even that syntax aside (it=
=E2=80=99s only syntax after all), I think we lost the ability to reach con=
sensus on something so important to everyone which we haven=E2=80=99t been =
able to come to agreement on for over 10 years. Finally it was there, in re=
ach and you made a 180 degree turn.


> I think it=E2=80=99d be so much easier for us to implement weak type hint=
ing. Have everyone rally around it. Be happy and then learn and see whether=
 an additional mechanism is really necessary. We could even add an E_STRICT=
_TYPES error_reporting flag to help folks =E2=80=9Cdebug=E2=80=9D their cod=
e if they so wish to see if there are any hotspots in their code they may w=
ant to take a look at - again not necessarily an error but maybe a debuggin=
g tool.
>
> But net, net - why not just implement the thing everyone can agree on. Ha=
ve something really good in the spirit of the PHP Language for PHP 7 and le=
arn how people leverage that=E2=80=A6 The reality is that for the majority =
of the Web community =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D coming in from HTTP should be acce=
pted as a 1. Period.
>
> I voted =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D but I will vote =E2=80=9Cyes=E2=80=9D for th=
e competing RFC which is 80% of your RFC. Why are we not given that option?=
?????

I have to agree here while I like the declare option, it should have
been an option as we clearly do not have a consensus during the
discussions (and will never have). Jeopardize the whole because of
that sounds dangerous to me.