Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:81322 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6895 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2015 18:12:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2015 18:12:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mike.php.net@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mike.php.net@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mike.php.net@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.43 mail-wg0-f43.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.43] ([74.125.82.43:38652] helo=mail-wg0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 16/C7-44076-78629C45 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:12:24 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id y19so22180313wgg.2 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:12:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=85fNHInXEJNnnbUaJImAf/KGYde8ru0LzfmGL8Nj+zo=; b=fOwKXMEVcWDCk+LsXcWz2wJ68kGC47ISb18pd/jdqZ35ZVFZOkgpG+jZnO349LY4yw a2lgBzv83gARMJJMSfLnMY64yzBhZA1fgS422I2mcndkcSl04f+Jn2N5PGpPAFCY4O5/ Ze3Uv5kb8HWSMR6OD3n/ZxFEU6ziZX1yn41zuzm6CO+pIvvyJfkkQWWfmRgYo16nxlIR MvhOBsfRIZP80xxU7M+QbDNQuV3B9zAuFxEHMjwqKqK1Rz1wq3zD6+vk2nCQAwca5oEL +72EuPHnA50OxVRbsW8CsEkBTDqFbxBC+YBsQbqtUQNkSNMWUGSpoHvl1Qw1sNoLEbJO 5L2g== X-Received: by 10.180.160.194 with SMTP id xm2mr9479950wib.77.1422468741235; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.120] (89-104-28-113.customer.bnet.at. [89.104.28.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id da2sm7120233wjb.21.2015.01.28.10.12.19 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:12:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: Michael Wallner Message-ID: <54C92683.6020305@php.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:12:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Levi Morrison CC: PHP Internals References: <54C8D36E.7010803@php.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] pecl_http From: mike@php.net (Michael Wallner) On 28/01/15 18:58, Levi Morrison wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Levi Morrison > wrote: > > Discussion has been very low on this topic since it was proposed on > August 19th, so I just opened the vote on the RFC whether to add > pecl_http to the core. The vote will be open until about 12:00 > UTC on > Friday, February 6th. > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pecl_http#vote > > > I wish you had pinged the list before opening the vote. I know there > were a few people who wanted to make comments but have just been > very busy. For example, I have been dealing with the return types > RFC which has soaked up all of the time I have for working on PHP > projects. > > Some feedback: I feel the RFC is not clear about the advantages and > disadvantages of including this package. Mostly, the RFC is "hey I > have this package can we include it in core?" I feel like it's > fairly incomplete as to *why* we should include it. There is a fair > amount of work done in user-land for these types of utilities, and I > think without a more balanced discussion we'd be giving this > extension a distinct advantage. > > If we allow it to remain in voting phase despite these issues, I > have to vote no simply because I don't feel like there is enough > information presented in the RFC for anyone except current pecl_http > users to make a good decision; that's hardly a good situation for > the language as a whole. > > > Oh, one more item: has anyone had time to review the pieces and how they > all interact, as well as reviewing the quality of each component? I > should hardly think in the time given this has been done. I'm not saying > this extension is bad; I am saying that I don't think there's been time > for anyone to properly evaluate whether it is or not. Well, there's been hardly any activity on the RFC for over five months, if one didn't have the chance for review in this time frame then the topic is probably not interesting enough for her. But I already guessed, that there wouldn't be a real discussion until I slapped the label VOTE on this RFC. -- Regards, Mike