Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:81231 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65188 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2015 11:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Jan 2015 11:19:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:47235] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C4/31-59067-B4477C45 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 06:19:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D367710C0DF; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:19:35 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Florian Anderiasch cc: Matteo Beccati , Bob Weinand , PHP Internals In-Reply-To: <54C76A6F.30502@anderiasch.de> Message-ID: References: <54C732F3.8050304@beccati.com> <54C76A6F.30502@anderiasch.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove the date.timezone warning From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Florian Anderiasch wrote: > On 01/27/2015 07:40 AM, Matteo Beccati wrote: > > On 27/01/2015 01:34, Bob Weinand wrote: > >> > >> I'd like to request removal of the date.timezone warning. > >> > >> Here is the RFC: > >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal > >> > > > > The warning is certainly annoying, but making it default to UTC or a > > wrong timezone because the right one can't be guessed is a major > > WTF. > > I don't see how this would be a *major* WTF. Maybe a minor one as PHP > didn't have to have a default one, so maybe an oddity. > > I'd argue that it's about setting a good example, UTC is the only sane > default for server software unless you know what you're doing. They only sane default is no default, so that users have to make a choice as what to set it too. That gives the least amount of surprise. > We're always arguing about removing options from php.ini I think the argument is often about *not adding options*. Which is different from removing options. cheers, Derick