Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:81230 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63715 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2015 11:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Jan 2015 11:17:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:47227] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9F/D0-59067-1B377C45 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 06:17:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E2DC10C0DF; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:17:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:17:00 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Yasuo Ohgaki cc: Lester Caine , "internals@lists.php.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <54C732F3.8050304@beccati.com> <54C73A13.5030707@php.net> <54C75D2D.1010701@lsces.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove the date.timezone warning From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > While I can understand the reason behind opposition, but current web > is not bounded to local country. Most applications today logs time > using UTC and time stamp is converted whatever local time as needed, > isn't it? Of course, it depends on application though. Having UTC as > the default makes sense to me. But not to me. Here in the UK, it would be right during winter, but then suddenly in summer my time would be wrong! It would be quite a WTF factor, and it's best fixed by having people actively make a choice on which timezone they want to use. > Besides time management best practice, users have learned enough, > haven't them? You'd be surprised how many people get timezones and time management wrong. I've given several talks about this and any time many attendees are surprised by the complexity. cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug Posted with an email client that doesn't mangle email: alpine