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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:32:51 +0700
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To: Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net>
Cc: Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>, 
	Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove the date.timezone warning
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Jan 27, 2015 11:25 AM, "Yasuo Ohgaki" <yohgaki@ohgaki.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Kalle and all,
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I think the warning is fair as it is, if it is annoying for small use
> > cases like on the CLI then simply: php -d date.timezone=UTC -r "echo
> > date('H:i:s');" or the dirty way by using the silent operator. It used
> > to be a notice prior 5.3 I think or something.
> >
> > While I do agree that most applications should be using UTC, which
> > should be set by default we sometimes need to tell userland the hard
> > way how things work, and/or what they should care about, like the
> > E_WARNING, E_CORE_ERROR, E_DEPRECATED for old php.ini settings.
> >
> > -1 for removing it from my side.
> >
>
> I can understand your argument.
> Perhaps, we may reconsider to introduce E_DEBUG/E_USER_DEBUG for these
> purposes.
> There are many functions, e.g. file related, that I feel E_WARNING is
> excessive.

I do not have a strong opinion on that. So keep it or make it UTC default
but please do not add yet another warning/notice/whatever.

Also, setting a timezone is not about Dev or other fancy tasks, it is about
making datetime processing right.

If anything I would enforce the default at configure/build time. So it at
least gets the correct one from a host point of view.

Cheers,
Pierre

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