Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:81122 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74631 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2015 11:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2015 11:30:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=leight@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=leight@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: leight@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.47 mail-wg0-f47.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.47] ([74.125.82.47:46461] helo=mail-wg0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2C/B5-36889-9E3D4C45 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 06:30:49 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n12so4640737wgh.6 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:30:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=n2yfUGmLbpPpO68K7ZhB3ww38B269+eAN83yvPL9nIQ=; b=yUdU3/0frDEKTVLQ2dS1MHf+hRZl/KzjwJCqDgqjSVwMLxXFM+0g+2zmGdQUz5B6aG +gBAs2TfZxXAI93+6SAb9vFqoElOn7QMUzu0t325AoTwQaU4X0zjAme9vowM6n7RelU+ UPZbNHyfvW5KK4T5Lw9d4RZ7U1bk8O6Enj1c3jZ22IRCWUN297ioj9PCSheZPIkCAPzb sC0LEY/DfUMiZ6v2OZbyCe5P6kES5/+wPE4Biit6Tk8g2AM7Z0KuKskRjQ9lsIPOuhPE WTSQUxr7NrWq3nuMvQi3h03/XEEVvRznNLZSWTBjSurxhPhiuJByK0GDWT/eUGzpLkXc 39yg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.72.199 with SMTP id f7mr21981954wiv.58.1422185446212; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.50.139 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:30:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54C4A44F.2030902@gmail.com> References: <54C4A44F.2030902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:30:46 +0000 Message-ID: To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Vote results for default ctors RFC From: leight@gmail.com (Leigh) On 25 January 2015 at 08:07, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > I am a bit disappointed by the result, as I think it would be a good > change, but I am much more disappointed by the fact that that 20 people > voted against it and not even half of them - I would say maybe 1/5 of > them - chose to participate in discussion even minimally and explain > what is wrong with it in their opinion. I understand when everybody > agrees there's no need of the flood of +1s, vote is enough, but > disagreement by its nature is more diverse. I think not bothering to > discuss and then just voting "no" with no explanation is not how the > healthy RFC process should be working. > My points were already covered I believe. In hindsight I should have added a "me too". I think that "might refactor one day" is a pretty flimsy excuse for a feature, and if you're going to refactor, that constructor will probably need some parameters passing anyway, so you still have to do the work. I'm in the camp that thinks if you call a method that doesn't exist, you've done something wrong (I particularly hate __call too). Leigh.