Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:81117 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63921 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2015 09:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2015 09:32:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=yohgaki@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=yohgaki@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: yohgaki@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.47 mail-qa0-f47.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.47] ([209.85.216.47:41240] helo=mail-qa0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1B/E3-36889-738B4C45 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 04:32:39 -0500 Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n8so3436554qaq.6 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 01:32:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=vo7n9wjzM0poPbBWnaZ8ZLFajkAsDmGh8zx7ShG9kPQ=; b=hm7izIqH1Xm722osz0IO9m6u7RWvmTHhki7v6Vq4NgQ9D9rlUB5hEOvs+2iA+3iPRG 40yYnW6FVa2+ZqS4Qn7HSPQvcmqnByBl7iAV15YHGI1FqGTSYlCeh5aLQPV90w1k0sdX FV1E7Saqz29PVmvlsfa7fMxjSzwrHK1qd/kNKZQldgaij3D1CZuDOZmDhGlYS+8FSQY4 XDePmgePIGzCZ2v8pI7TZmPH53cdfmFS/o6+dC5hILPze8fKrS9Gmj+6xw33I/2fiw8h SGlQgut459UwYLa+UNqlsLmslecC9nax040mMI8KP1lLKi2SI32oJLQdQSpV75Ni3ovz 2LXQ== X-Received: by 10.224.111.194 with SMTP id t2mr25571315qap.86.1422178357042; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 01:32:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yohgaki@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.93.70 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 01:31:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54C4A793.1040902@beccati.com> References: <54C4A44F.2030902@gmail.com> <54C4A793.1040902@beccati.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:31:56 +0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -ZL9rXGnlNOJ-d7YxvhXuYU1Brs Message-ID: To: Matteo Beccati Cc: Stanislav Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b604582c76da4050d76b31d Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Vote results for default ctors RFC From: yohgaki@ohgaki.net (Yasuo Ohgaki) --047d7b604582c76da4050d76b31d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Matteo Beccati wrote: > On 25/01/2015 09:07, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > >> I am a bit disappointed by the result, as I think it would be a good >> change, but I am much more disappointed by the fact that that 20 people >> voted against it and not even half of them - I would say maybe 1/5 of >> them - chose to participate in discussion even minimally and explain >> what is wrong with it in their opinion. I understand when everybody >> agrees there's no need of the flood of +1s, vote is enough, but >> disagreement by its nature is more diverse. I think not bothering to >> discuss and then just voting "no" with no explanation is not how the >> healthy RFC process should be working. >> > > I was supposed to send an explanation after voting, but I forgot. Sorry > about that. > > I initially was going to vote "yes" as I kind of liked the concept. What > made me change my mind was the implementation decision. I fully understand > the reasons behind a conservative approach, but I just didn't like the > "magic" (doesn't exist, but it's ok to call it). I would have voted yes for > the approach #1 as it looked more consistent, and #2 seemed to be slightly > worse than what we have now. I liked the idea. PHP is dynamic language and user should be able to enjoy the "magic", IMHO. I also would like to know the reason why vote against a RFC. Without feedback, there is no improvement. Comment plugin to the wiki, perhaps? Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohgaki@ohgaki.net --047d7b604582c76da4050d76b31d--