Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:80843 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23390 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2015 18:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jan 2015 18:32:42 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.178 mail-we0-f178.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.178] ([74.125.82.178:61395] helo=mail-we0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FB/1F-64889-8CD4DB45 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:32:41 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id p10so32942281wes.9 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QdREV6AJ01cLA3GasbLzzQBMsx0tQ5O2UDCicDD2akw=; b=CiC1wxyCtm1BGOEVz5Yhy+A6urkFYwYztjcCn8uCUm+wopvbLiVpn7oJFudk3RkF9A Ki7Blvlbe1yITVRYAQP5jSwmJCAY0moO61edRlwv927v8WkIRYBBoLIA+dXWa8ZBP0nj +eqQA5z+5CPbHoIgeyfYP4DMdj7bWNFLwVWM3KjA04rP8G1qImMYkFgcBJlSdrNrqRmQ YZxheYbzvIdSihOKVcvcmZd8OijbJsJqN9Uo4POLSDQ37RkiTF+8BMg7+jI+rnBEc74L +PZ/nbHOi6aXlfIEADaB9jxNW7BJaW8h6VBeqCA1D46Kz8n9ZKWZsOZbVpq09WDLRmgB 7lVA== X-Received: by 10.180.211.34 with SMTP id mz2mr37685725wic.18.1421692358128; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.172] ([62.189.198.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f1sm18244653wjw.30.2015.01.19.10.32.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54BD4D98.80507@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:31:52 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <0DD30A0D-E7CA-4150-83E0-8FD46635279C@ajf.me><8761c6280g.fsf@margaine.com><54B91D16.70901@gmail.com><78.22.47555.7C24AB45@pb1.pair.com><1421519637.40188.1.camel@proposaltech.com><54BABA93.9070809@gmail.com> <49.CA.64889.A5EDCB45@pb1.pair.com> <54BCE8F5.5080407@gmail.com> <97.D7.64889.15C1DB45@pb1.pair.com> <54BD240A.7050801@gmail.com> <72.6B.64889.1BF2DB45@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <72.6B.64889.1BF2DB45@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove PHP 4 Constructors From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Tony Marston wrote on 19/01/2015 16:24: > "Rowan Collins" wrote in message news:54BD240A.7050801@gmail.com... >> >> Tony Marston wrote on 19/01/2015 15:01: >>> The aim should be to eliminate customer grievances as much as >>> possible and not to simply ignore them. >> >> I am not ignoring the grievances, and have repeatedly said that I am >> not sure whether or not the change is justified in this case. >> >> You, however, are ignoring the benefits, and have repeatedly used >> phrasing that implies that you do not think they exist, right >> underneath my messages explaining what they are. > > There may be a small benefit to the core developers, but a huge > negative benefit (i.e. "problem") to the rest of the PHP community. > When you identify something that benefits both the core developers and > their customers I might be more inclined to listen. Anything that benefits the core developers in their task of maintaining and improving the core automatically benefits users, because the core is improved. The idea that the two interests are distinct, or even opposed to each other, is disingenuous to the people who volunteer their time in an honest effort to make PHP better for everyone. I'm going to duck out of this thread, now, because we're going round in circles, and if you want to know my opinion on the matter, you can read through the parts you ignored earlier. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]