Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:80831 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97976 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2015 15:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jan 2015 15:35:24 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.171 mail-we0-f171.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.171] ([74.125.82.171:46925] helo=mail-we0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F9/7A-64889-B342DB45 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:35:23 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u56so32094966wes.2 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:35:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4PwJcpbIJ2w/vS7ey92O7QZwH9oaOo0npjtgTCHga6s=; b=fjoK4hEbVlrjGf17E4Kvm2mhOAipOzPYOp3P51CWU8DQqIeB5sduZNant1rQAsaA36 UsuWrT9W49w3Cl5m3JI35+os6tyh82Y7kzoCYJLSIBOv4TdRx0VeABP/UxWCj7JM33Qc 78Y7l8N5MIVCCBsJ9CekseK82Ht8C6cxG2d9VWnwjyf53VbcVlTMBdA2PZhbubQApo7n UwmclId4/TG+4MWb4ULbjQ9RCBM5GRW7uN4EmV3JFW3ylS27s7e/IdMi5I3mlPJuNR5e nw+7/LMJ3HQ3Eo0pSSuhD+RXh5PfSYeeMbQGj4tdvWF0+rSrvEPLXVor4UMQ8WL0AX/t vbag== X-Received: by 10.180.89.225 with SMTP id br1mr13704137wib.70.1421681719084; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.172] ([62.189.198.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fg9sm14639429wib.9.2015.01.19.07.35.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:35:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54BD240A.7050801@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:34:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <0DD30A0D-E7CA-4150-83E0-8FD46635279C@ajf.me><8761c6280g.fsf@margaine.com><54B91D16.70901@gmail.com><78.22.47555.7C24AB45@pb1.pair.com><1421519637.40188.1.camel@proposaltech.com><54BABA93.9070809@gmail.com> <49.CA.64889.A5EDCB45@pb1.pair.com> <54BCE8F5.5080407@gmail.com> <97.D7.64889.15C1DB45@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <97.D7.64889.15C1DB45@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove PHP 4 Constructors From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Tony Marston wrote on 19/01/2015 15:01: > The aim should be to eliminate customer grievances as much as possible > and not to simply ignore them. I am not ignoring the grievances, and have repeatedly said that I am not sure whether or not the change is justified in this case. You, however, are ignoring the benefits, and have repeatedly used phrasing that implies that you do not think they exist, right underneath my messages explaining what they are.