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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rand(), mt_rand() and limits
From: yohgaki@ohgaki.net (Yasuo Ohgaki)

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Hi Andrea,

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me> wrote:

> > On 12 Jan 2015, at 00:55, Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net> wrote:
> >
> > It works, but I prefer to have procedural API also (and OO API if it is
> needed.)
> > I like multi paradigm programming language.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t see the point of a =E2=80=9Cprocedural API=E2=80=9D here,=
 it=E2=80=99d just be a set of
> thin wrappers around the OOP API.
>
> Multi-paradigm means actually providing different approaches. Every time
> PHP has had both a =E2=80=9Cprocedural=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9COOP=E2=80=9D=
 API so far, it=E2=80=99s been nothing of
> the sort, the =E2=80=9Cprocedural=E2=80=9D API has been the OOP one in di=
sguise. There is
> zero functional difference between $foo->bar($baz, $qux); and foo_bar($fo=
o,
> $baz, $qux); and we should stop pretending there is one.
>
> Are people seriously scared off by the syntax of =E2=80=9COOP=E2=80=9D AP=
Is or something?
> I just don=E2=80=99t get it. Surely it is not hard to explain that mysql_=
query and
> $mysqli->query are exactly the same thing?!
>

I just would like to make sure that there is both.
We are better off with both OO and procedural API like Python, IMO.


>
> > BTW, difference between 32bit and 64bit platforms would not be a proble=
m
> > as long as it is documented.
>
> It=E2=80=99s not necessarily a =E2=80=9Cproblem=E2=80=9D, but I don=E2=80=
=99t see why 64-bit integers
> shouldn=E2=80=99t be properly supported on 64-bit systems.


Nice idea.
Let's have 64 bit random in 32 bit systems. (i.e. same seed =3D same sequen=
ce
as long as
mix/max fits in range=EF=BC=89

Regards,

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Yasuo Ohgaki
yohgaki@ohgaki.net

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