Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:80020 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83496 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2014 21:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Dec 2014 21:43:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andi@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andi@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.218.53 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andi@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.218.53 mail-oi0-f53.google.com Received: from [209.85.218.53] ([209.85.218.53:64968] helo=mail-oi0-f53.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DD/11-11289-47C13A45 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:43:17 -0500 Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id g201so33872636oib.12 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=tdqUTZh4wutKjfyCN81ZT2tDvTufuOlw7IqGnAxYp3A=; b=jTlbtVYD/TpFAnZzSAymtyPyTzSFPBCN1i5W40qvlWkMFay/MBsIoSVSp3brcEpWOR HBAfCVVTRzkxLPhuq5yaBMwrd85buSrqPGR6Bfzv6eg7kbwcZbmp4ESPotC/DGiIOA77 UJrVus5zCz1vVmO5en2953U3e5Emytq7N9LW1mXZg8Cm90xik9FglM6AHMs2ktwaB7s0 /UWb1c6/C6gLLvsRZLy7HwAzZHi9wqfWSy1GsqcWAdT1EaEATYKIijgMz82NCK3ykHrV zdTnU5VIUNRaE2DYO8KdJAUKYjqkytjXr+mOlAZWH41HjIQk+Ryt8bZtDdLPksRUKug1 xhEA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlP5Bgt3FsX5rmTN3Gp9sszNDET6iz2kAQvI1g5M7HxIYMnp2vjygTXESRkMq7FSXew4b9ULLpyGMHPDFmYODyF0socaefMWsex6+sn/tpIh4GVoxSp/A/OHyAfHGuRp+QRcXDwi6WrqCgjpHxmjiymiYlLiQ== X-Received: by 10.60.52.101 with SMTP id s5mr9763129oeo.33.1419975794373; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:301:779f:53c0:e0cd:d47b:ee7b:8112? ([2602:301:779f:53c0:e0cd:d47b:ee7b:8112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lz5sm5417391oeb.13.2014.12.30.13.43.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:43:13 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) In-Reply-To: <54A261A8.4000707@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:43:11 -0800 Cc: Andrea Faulds , Internals X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 441668591.719919-9b785dcffad6608e5ea5ac0abf117186 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7E99F018-E399-4EF0-B274-BA001674486B@zend.com> References: <54A261A8.4000707@gmail.com> To: Stanislav Malyshev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] PHP 5.7 From: andi@zend.com (Andi Gutmans) > On Dec 30, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Stanislav Malyshev = wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 >> I=E2=80=99m going to put the PHP 5.7 RFC to a vote, since it=E2=80=99d = been 2 weeks. >> I=E2=80=99m not entirely certain myself whether it=E2=80=99s a good = idea, but I=E2=80=99d >> like it for us to vote on it so we can settle the matter. If people >> vote against 5.7, a new RFC proposing an alternative could always be >> made by someone. >=20 > I still haven't achieved a proper understanding of what 5.7 would > actually include (so far the only real BC thing mentioned that it can > warn about is the switch thing, and IMHO making the new minor just > because of that makes little sense, of course I'm not counting > non-accepted RFCs since otherwise there's like 40 of them), so I = intend > to vote no, but if somebody really sees something substantial that I > missed, please point me out, as I am not opposed to the idea of 5.7 = just > don't see any practical content for it for now. My take is that anything that takes away efforts from getting PHP 7 to = market faster is a distraction. PHP.net needs to continue to show leadership in evolving the runtime. We = have a pretty great jewel in our hands. Some very good RFCs that are = going to make it in. Postponing PHP 7 (which this would as we have a = finite amount of resources on this list) would not be good for our = users. Andi P.S. - Not interested in debating it. Definitely accept folks can have = other views. Just wanted to state my opinion clearly :)=