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To: Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] PHP 5.7
From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds)

Hey Ferenc,

> On 29 Dec 2014, at 15:43, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> I'm not entirely sure that it is a good idea to go through the voting, =
as in a previous mail you wrote that you don't support the idea anymore =
and you plan withdrawing it:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg72085.html
> https://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg72098.html

I did say that, but I never actually did it because I wasn=E2=80=99t =
completely convinced by that idea either.

> I was planning to create a RFC for 5.7 with some differences to yours =
(mostly about having minor self-contained features should target 5.7 and =
making a stronger point for why 5.7 would be useful), but given the =
current situation I have no favorable outcome, I either vote for an 5.7 =
which I disagree with in small details (and which will most likely fail =
the vote because the rfc doesn't really make a strong point for itself =
nor did you incorporate anything to the rfc which was discussed in the =
thread) or vote against it when I really think that having an 5.7 would =
be really useful.

I did incorporate things into the RFC that were discussed in the thread, =
the timetable changes in particular.

If you want to work on the RFC, I=E2=80=99d be happy to cancel the vote =
for now so you can make changes.

I=E2=80=99m not sure about allowing small features, but that is up to =
you. If we=E2=80=99re talking about the kind of things that go into =
normal minor releases, then there=E2=80=99s a risk of people not =
bothering to upgrade to PHP 7. Then again, we need to actually encourage =
people to upgrade to 5.7 first. Development of new features for 5.7 =
would be difficult because everything you do must essentially be =
rewritten for 7.0 given the huge internals changes. This also creates =
unfortunate QA issues, since your 7.0 and 5.7 implementations must have =
exactly matching behaviour. But there might be a case for small features =
like we have sometimes in micros, e.g. adding parameters to functions. =
It=E2=80=99s your call.

Thanks.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/