Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79745 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95363 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2014 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Dec 2014 21:19:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 192.64.116.207 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.64.116.207 imap2-2.ox.privateemail.com Received: from [192.64.116.207] ([192.64.116.207:38244] helo=imap2-2.ox.privateemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E0/B3-08594-4C1A0945 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:19:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE8D8C0082; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:18:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap2.ox.privateemail.com Received: from mail.privateemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap2.ox.privateemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 89i7aCY13aYu; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.129.67.197] (dab-yat1-h-69-3.dab.02.net [82.132.213.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38A9A8C0069; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:18:56 -0500 (EST) References: <8C1EFD82-CFE0-4D01-9231-2A1658B182A6@ajf.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <71165C46-EFBD-4961-843C-71F97BCBDCB5@ajf.me> Cc: Rowan Collins , PHP Internals X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12B440) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:18:48 +0000 To: Florian Margaine Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7 From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) Hey Florian, > On 16 Dec 2014, at 19:55, Florian Margaine wrote: >=20 > Hi list, >=20 > I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding E_DEPRECATE= D > is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP (or other languages > for the matter, I'm thinking of python) minor versions have brought new > features. Adding notices is not a reason for a new version imho. >=20 > If what we want are notices, and helping people to migrate to PHP 7, then > we can create tools for this. For example, python made a tool to help with= > the transition of python 2 to python 3. Go did the same for 0.x to 1.0, if= > my memory serves right. The point of new versions is to include new > features or bug fixes for the language, static analysis can be done with > external tools. >=20 > The fact that we'll have to maintain one more version is also not somethin= g > to be taken lightly, especially when I see examples of how things progress= > in php-src. (I'm thinking about the recent contributor who gave up.) >=20 > Now, if the reason people want PHP 5.7 is to extend PHP 5 lifetime, then > it's another matter, and the lifetime of existing versions could be > extended. >=20 > Just my $0.02. >=20 > Cheers, > Florian Margaine Hmm, actually, a 2to3-esque tool and a formal extension of 5.6's support by a= year sounds like a better solution. If others agree, I might withdraw this R= FC. Thanks! -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/=