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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:53:29 +0100
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>
> as you mentioned distros lock in to a specific micro version, so if we
> introduce this deprecated messages in random micro version, we make it le=
ss
> likely for the users to stumble upon those deprecated messages and it wil=
l
> be also harder for us to communicate the upgrade path:
>
> compare:
>
> okay, you only have to install PHP 5.7 check out the deprecated messages
> in your error logs, fix those and you are ready to upgrade to 7.0
>
> vs
>
> okay, so install 5.6, but make sure that it is >=3D 5.6.x, except for dis=
tro
> Z, because they bumped the version but only backported the security fixes
> but did not include the last deprecated message and if you fixed those
> deprecated messages from your error log, you are ready to upgrade to 7.0.
>
>
>
> [Zeev] Distros don=E2=80=99t bump the version number when they backport p=
atches
> from newer versions.  It stays the same, which is why I don=E2=80=99t thi=
nk there=E2=80=99s
> any difference between the two as far as communications is concerned.  It=
=E2=80=99s
> really =E2=80=98Upgrade to 5.7=E2=80=99 vs. =E2=80=98Upgrade to 5.6.12 or=
 later=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 both messages by
> the way irrelevant to distro users (which have little or no control over
> the version of PHP they=E2=80=99re using, unless they break away from the=
 standard
> distro PHP).  The people we really talk about are the people they build
> their own or otherwise obtain non-standard-distro binaries.  For them, I =
do
> believe a jump to 5.7.x will be psychologically bigger than a hop to a
> newer 5.6.x version.
>
>
>

my point was that it is easier to say that you can use whatever 5.7 release
to make sure you are fine to upgrade to 7.0 versus depending on a specific
5.6 micro version.
but you are right that most distros don't bump the upstream version but
suffix it with their own revision number, and bump that when backporting
bug/security fixes.

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