Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79670 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 82485 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2014 19:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Dec 2014 19:45:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.43 mail-wg0-f43.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.43] ([74.125.82.43:42437] helo=mail-wg0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B8/51-09641-F4A3F845 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:45:20 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l18so15643086wgh.16 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:45:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=YmbGgU6PtPrtXMPFGO0uE2lTl34OfyufPdpvT6HRVZw=; b=OmA3I4njxMJ64nrlzuxEbdC9+ubBe4fdGzD70HvIvnEWFhjQdDhIBe0yTM9rD1S1CY Kh95P+7MWxfGa8jD2VHrYPtPsvxKV2T6NO1xgKe4tNip9bwTe+tTTlZnGpbUalzjZfgL vGcmH7DUAPLg4MewtO2dDK0t/RU/LVzJ2S11f1GUfnoRrBX8QkOwuV5V37QTmH27ivqE WghsXozxK5wn79pHm/1Y92zhkEAVVu9WIkKisSGwbGA2PIIuTQYWcnZ/6bE8+7f1cUOI +CDCOyA0DLH35pbHBMNdPxtAgV1bfI+IjveJJmix04myzICVXp1mQXLFKnaq3hCmvTfp UaBw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkGuWrhXFKQeslxBh8gT9zoLMTmJRYmh3AC4hLazQ48ykJqQvYIyb3sGQUKe01YDTGZrdTahpSPvGdELfJF9y7FpL2eRI4hpSB0W7wcWtslfUuPdJ7Fzo8CXEslUtqvrsfn3/fIt8zjSUgVZeyx8K2M+Dbavw== X-Received: by 10.180.94.37 with SMTP id cz5mr33587051wib.61.1418672716969; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:45:16 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJyn7ksIjUSLHuWzpRlMyebBfiu5gGfhrP8AnsgPPUBx8wYUQMUX6U9mwRIr8A= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:45:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4385b3d86ee971aa0f008cc3fcc2e080@mail.gmail.com> To: Adam Harvey , Derick Rethans Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] On the road to PHP 5.7 , or not ? From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > -----Original Message----- > From: adam@adamharvey.name [mailto:adam@adamharvey.name] On > Behalf Of Adam Harvey > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:12 PM > To: Derick Rethans > Cc: PHP Internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] On the road to PHP 5.7 , or not ? > > On 15 December 2014 at 08:51, Derick Rethans wrote: > > Yes, I disagree. It's a time thing. Let's all work on one thing > > instead of *two*. Clearly you must see that there is not enough > > bandwidth? It will also prevent people from "oh we can get this into > > 5.7" > nonsense. > > It's not helpful, and it *is* fragmenting development. > > I'm just as cognisant of our time constraints as you are, but I still > think this > can work if there's a clear, written expectation (say via > RFC) that 5.7 is for migration related changes only, and should not > include > new feature work. If we can keep this as "5.6 + some deprecation > warnings", > I believe that can reduce the QA/development load enough to make > delivering it and 7.0 possible next year. 5.6 + deprecation warnings might be something we can even consider for the 5.6.x tree, as we get closer to release 7.0. I think if we do that, it becomes more interesting since the likelihood of people upgrading to such a version go higher (psychologically, moving to 5.7 is a much bigger deal than upgrading from 5.6.10 to 5.6.11). Zeev