Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79655 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 38839 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2014 16:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Dec 2014 16:51:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:34148] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A2/C1-16076-E811F845 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:51:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BA6510C032; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:51:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:51:22 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Ferenc Kovacs cc: Julien Pauli , PHP Internals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] On the road to PHP 5.7 , or not ? From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Julien Pauli wrote: > > > > > So the main question is : *What version will we release next year > > > ?* > > > > > > Will we have a PHP 5.7, or jump directly to a 7.0 ? > > > > > > Don't forget, that if we go for a 5.7 , then we won't have a 7.0 > > > at least one year later. > > > > We have accepted the timeline for 7, so we need to stick to that: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php7timeline#vote > > > > So that means no 5.7. > > This rfc was specific to php7, and while you are right that with that > we do have an approved timelime for php7, but this doesn't say > anything about 5.7 (and as far as I'm concerned, it was an intentional > choice from Zeev not just something he forgot to include). > > Maybe it would be worthwile for you to repeat your arguments or simply > link them, as I do remember that you are supporting the idea of not > having any other release minor release until php7 is out of the door > so the development efforts are not fragmented (which as I mentioned in > my previous mail I feell it would be only a shift from 5.6.x to 5.7.0 > and not fragmanting the php7 development, but you seem to disagree). Yes, I disagree. It's a time thing. Let's all work on one thing instead of *two*. Clearly you must see that there is not enough bandwidth? It will also prevent people from "oh we can get this into 5.7" nonsense. It's not helpful, and it *is* fragmenting development. cheers, Derick