Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79359 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60987 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2014 21:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2014 21:56:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.181 mail-wi0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.181] ([209.85.212.181:47858] helo=mail-wi0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B8/E4-32869-214EC745 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:56:37 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r20so18996532wiv.14 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:56:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:from:date:cc :message-id; bh=la+gH69midEEwCfcv9arOjUOCnKS1DUkjOHcCCt3EaY=; b=eq40yOpc5MCcb1Fyln18/BshDwJylZMklnMCQzSMNtfHrmtiZazE5jessfdvE0I6ZH WLnm/ucKKUgwG+Zl+yMv5Xu5zWowBTl0CmcA36oM9R2qjVup34/Rro+M16lo3xLuO64h 9+28ldvtBkgQ8SeQXsa5H/dk1KYjC/sMgd+11lP29RILC5wnZc9C/x2BWbHHYDkgsw7s fpVoewUDSzirgiRqFUAEbUUZQBhpa8b8RAnh4jdtdOZ7ORmg6R/51ofn4XnOdGcex0qb BV7zrEQDv643z/c364hRZr0PUV4WtQ3haBVm3keFVWPl1+dRvjRLblODP9LrOdRR1qtb ZB2g== X-Received: by 10.194.71.203 with SMTP id x11mr62988712wju.131.1417470990583; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (cpc68956-brig15-2-0-cust215.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.6.24.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bj7sm29279430wjc.33.2014.12.01.13.56.29 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <6ADEDB62-987A-45B7-A677-D7C683906BA4@ajf.me> References: <003c01d00d6e$f4fd77c0$def86740$@tutteli.ch> <868FD3D8-4E80-46F4-872A-125D3FD8F40D@ajf.me> <547CA967.20607@gmail.com> <6ADEDB62-987A-45B7-A677-D7C683906BA4@ajf.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:56:24 +0000 CC: internals Message-ID: <10AF7FA1-4CC2-4DAD-A504-42939B5C98D4@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Static classes (Was Abstract final classes) From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 1 December 2014 20:30:46 GMT, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > The problem is that, well, global state is rarely a good thing, I don’t think we should be encouraging it. To get a bit philosophical: Is it really the language's job to make that decision? Is there a difference between "encouraging", "allowing", and "enabling"? Purely static classes are a reality whether this feature is added or not. They do things namespaces can't (and probably shouldn't), but are simpler to work with than singletons (which they closely resemble) or full-blown Dependency Injection. Declaring a static class is just a way of acknowledging that this is a deliberate decision, and instance members should not be added. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]