Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79323 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 35065 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2014 19:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Nov 2014 19:09:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.178 mail-wi0-f178.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.178] ([209.85.212.178:38688] helo=mail-wi0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id BE/61-22137-86B6B745 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:09:28 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hi2so15278704wib.5 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:09:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DbYot1feCj3HWyv/TDsJ6BhLL3c2akFFFG5iGPWugWo=; b=T3AlPzRKQ+FtxVIWUDQhqmOzkC1PnIpXnq03nhywSm7MHk3uUHutpUkW9VRApPIiXF /Y4RjHGx6Zbi2jX6X8f+RbfpWFhFJeSnk8Ec12jtcY2e5taIahytQGsf+9hwDef1q8A1 HhLprM2NgmRTy9Gyt+x5n/l33JwFJOoKE3aBH1xs3SsSvHerSgJONWYSAJGAoHDEXh9k yB4/9xpDo80Qd9cb2r0DjepS7obobqhgA6bTkBBOV7sWjnOVDug+9DUHf5A3dp7xXOGW bkM0xegM/sPkTfQbk4q5iuqyggPFQL1Q1lFCcc3RBH0kAPK5YAo7HVHBWtQ8FETtuBPX 4i/A== X-Received: by 10.180.77.170 with SMTP id t10mr79650938wiw.57.1417374565178; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc68956-brig15-2-0-cust215.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.6.24.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cp4sm24419279wjb.16.2014.11.30.11.09.21 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:09:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547B6B54.5020009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <547AD8D8.9060603@fedoraproject.org> <547B5C93.7050001@fedoraproject.org> In-Reply-To: <547B5C93.7050001@fedoraproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Feature: use Posix ACL for FPM socket From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 30/11/2014 18:06, Remi Collet wrote: >> >However, I think we should stop including features in our patch >> >releases. I've heard a few others express similar sentiment, but >> >it may have been more targeted at what we are allowing for "bug >> >fixes" in patch releases. Anyway, that's my input. > Yes, I'm one wanting to reduce new feature in stable branch... > > This is the reason why I propose this feature for 5.6 (not 5.5) and > with a new option to not change default build. But that's still technically introducing a feature in a patch release. From a documentation point of view, it's a lot tidier if we only ever have to say "since PHP x.y" rather than "since x.y.z", and as you say, there's always a risk. I don't know much about this case, but let's say a mistake allowed a misconfigured build to apply an inadvertently wide ACL; having that emerge in a patch release could mean downstream maintainers losing faith in the official releases, and make everyone's lives harder. Part of the stated aim of the release process RFC [1] was to "reduce the time to get new features in a release", and the solution to that was to guarantee a release every year, so that there's never more than a few months to wait, while simultaneously having clean, safe, patch builds. The crucial paragraph is this: > No feature addition after final x.y.0 release (or x.0.0). Self contained features or new SAPIs could be carefully considered on a case by case basis. That wording implies - in my opinion - that the burden of argument should be on the feature's sponsor for why an exception should be made, but there's a temptation to shoot for inclusion everywhere and see if the RM challenges it. [1] https://wiki.php.net/rfc/releaseprocess -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]