Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79101 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78657 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2014 07:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Nov 2014 07:56:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.176 mail-wi0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.176] ([209.85.212.176:62335] helo=mail-wi0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 71/C1-60639-DA140745 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 02:56:30 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ex7so1316495wid.3 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Yw2RT7pL54UeY+2wt/ye+aCdwqF94bHm2Dxy1zNbrcU=; b=RcL6NlQuDl5yKKj+fnbahKBIWgUCjdyw2j2ISeG9ZlxPLBom2mp2o5EnfRso86uIlq r9YUZQlIvyn0z7drMiDmSn9LGfW+TESwkrIciu6kCD6Qc3oavOS+Q5IdYXLX2SejIiYW T+sh7h8kinUCUICsR+e42zLwkAEu8xLcMKpMfCuA38uhe8kdIFrlxiMPHVqUExaU+OIz 0goBrqrKfJV1xAhMFmFBPp12N7EdNZnnqxOTZ6xKBYK78HEpzzoZ3KCszdAlCtsmTovN BKg4L4jBV/LDDP3AvQcyI+jnCIPwtlJixcvr/n/qyc1wW1u8NU9B9mFoULbGkZYyfXYr +YTw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2X3HU4qjDWvqktp3RmJEsQqL9I4ZpSjv73ZExFwNqw+tgV+V36cOxxdS8Iy4TiXiT9Qg63fwARPguZMkYqf9mP2k266ST9kJvjDK7fWI8/09VpRylM85j7w0wekggXHe/b7Gjjvi21RsoACxwooUSsoFvDA== X-Received: by 10.180.12.175 with SMTP id z15mr3692395wib.61.1416642987518; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:56:27 -0800 (PST) References: <3d131946349b68aa2ae26dcfeaa5197a@mail.gmail.com> <2FCFF6B7-53FB-4D56-9296-371374F79C78@zend.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHW1hici1T7auH8zMzcQ6dfWvcMHwGEQhs9AOgacsoCPagUSJw5VXQw Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 09:56:26 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c365e80b849705086de68e Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) --001a11c365e80b849705086de68e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ferenc, all, The RFC has provisions for making the 3rd and 4th milestones move as needed= : =E2=80=9CIt's worth noting that the 3rd and 4th milestones will be quality dependent. If we have evidence that suggests that PHP 7 isn't sufficiently mature to go into the RC stage in June, or GA in October - we should of course adjust the timeline accordingly, and not push out a half-baked release. However, the goal would be to stick as much as possible to the deadline of new going-into-7.0 RFCs, and strive to follow the timelines for the 2nd and 3rd milestones as much as possible, to ensure an October 2015 release of PHP 7.0.=E2=80=9D This language attempts to balance the motivation to get PHP 7.0 out to market as soon as possible, with the unwillingness to compromise on quality. If we end up having to have 4 months of betas/RCs instead of 3 = =E2=80=93 then we will=E2=80=A6 Zeev based on that I would say that our average beta+rc release number is around 7, and sometimes the release for a beta/RC can be delayed, so I think that having only 3 months for the beta+RC period is too optimistic, we should make that into 4 months at least, we could either push out the ETA for GA or move back the alpha period by a month. sorry if this seems to be nitpicking, just trying to put my experiences into use. --=20 Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --001a11c365e80b849705086de68e--