Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79092 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 38968 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2014 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Nov 2014 18:01:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=adam@adamharvey.name; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=adam@adamharvey.name; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain adamharvey.name designates 209.85.223.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: adam@adamharvey.name X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.181 mail-ie0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.181] ([209.85.223.181:52726] helo=mail-ie0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EA/62-26013-21E7F645 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:01:55 -0500 Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id tp5so5223026ieb.26 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:01:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=adamharvey.name; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=za3cC/zrO4qTNjSxhsj65F7J3KXXaH6vc/p1buGSrdI=; b=r6/B8fIPk+YS4sS6AmFtTUIK9y59+ijXB0weWAhg5ZOT4OsHS9RJ9EeU3s+VLmi0yT viBky4fvOJJ5sPr34oUx0IbMkEOaZkvCgbPpBN7loqJqB/yPUJoJUW8t6lgm9tdItqNh tv1gbeP++WKemN94TsX/PRbYyvFT3IRHtkZaM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=za3cC/zrO4qTNjSxhsj65F7J3KXXaH6vc/p1buGSrdI=; b=KpPrWsgJL63Thz7emsymJ6crBCYdP3uXnhDlaCKSGARM4NFxrnTW3D4vTl42YFr60f bx692TjVO/CY9AcYFKBC9WFGpYTpuEl2aZRHmW87DtU2qh6OVD0kYKPpe2xXy1Y8dle0 rr/tcaHPms7lNMJQoksQB/qmUf6AZYKB0hW3neF3dajP7VmUybZvTXzwQZyrnB7mbR9/ 5imQbMcjuo2nFP1rvuRE6RXE3Pt3MkX3uiqVRdKoRVWw9m8CRCu0e7ASbnekxw1E1oHP rQVmV42oSIG4uGJJ2YXpF0sxC20XL+A1iHfQtbtzvihd4tsxZzcgtxMXct5iTSxfm54G Y4DA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlk7R5io3bdWo82QIF45ZBB3lQBmZt1UuALSqVrUDcwbBL3iVgVHksnMz7NhTLhibGbq9Y3 X-Received: by 10.42.24.10 with SMTP id u10mr7174033icb.58.1416592912205; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:01:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adam@adamharvey.name Received: by 10.42.86.129 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:01:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3d131946349b68aa2ae26dcfeaa5197a@mail.gmail.com> <2FCFF6B7-53FB-4D56-9296-371374F79C78@zend.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:01:31 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ecp6ZAYGyPAm1NNw_ZLGQ8Hb-aI Message-ID: To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Zeev Suraski , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline From: aharvey@php.net (Adam Harvey) On 21 November 2014 07:36, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > In this case the 3 month period will be too short imo. > We release RCs/betas every two weeks, so 3 months would be about 6 releas= e. > 5.6.0 had 3 alpha, 4 beta and 4 rc before release. > 5.5.0 had 6 alpha, 4 beta and 3 rc before release. > 5.4.0 had 3 alpha, 2 beta and 8 rc before release. > 5.3.0 had 3 alpha, 1 beta and 4 rc before release > 5.2.0 had 6 rc before release. > 5.1.0 had 6 rc before release. > > based on that I would say that our average beta+rc release number is arou= nd > 7, and sometimes the release for a beta/RC can be delayed, so I think tha= t > having only 3 months for the beta+RC period is too optimistic, we should > make that into 4 months at least, we could either push out the ETA for GA > or move back the alpha period by a month. Agreed. This is the key reason why our "annual" release cycle has been "15 monthly" in practice =E2=80=94 we've consistently underestimated the number of beta and RC releases required for a .0 stable. Adam