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To: Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] PHP 7.0 timeline
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

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Kris,

This existed in the RFC since the get go and I don't believe anybody raised a=
ny concerns about it.  There was plenty of time for discussion.  Either way a=
pproval of this RFC won't have any effect on the approval or rejection of ot=
her RFCs.

Kris, All - I'm now on a 7th day straight of a paralyzing 39.5C temperature.=
  Let's focus on what matters.  I at least don't have energy to respond to t=
he rest.

Zeev

> On 21 =D7=91=D7=A0=D7=95=D7=91=D7=B3 2014, at 12:16, Kris Craig <kris.crai=
g@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Specifically, this is the sentence that just seems completely out of place=
:
>=20
> "Arguably, while we should definitely take the opportunity to implement co=
mpatibility-breaking changes in 7.0, we also shouldn't turn it into a compat=
ibility-breaking festival, as the more we break, the more likely it is users=
 would delay upgrades, stay with old, insecure versions - or even consider o=
ther alternative options."
>=20
> Mind you, I don't necessarily disagree with this opinion, but I don't thin=
k it belongs in this RFC as people's votes to approve the timeline could lat=
er be construed as endorsements of the BC philosophy you expressed, as well.=
  That bothers me, probably enough to make me vote against this, so I really=
 hope you remove it.  I'd certainly have no objection to seeing that expande=
d into its own RFC, though.  =3D)
>=20
> --Kris
>=20
>=20
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:=

>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org> wr=
ote:
>>> On Fri, 2014-11-21 at 10:07 +0200, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>>> > After some Twitter hints that I should get my act together and finally=
 move
>>> > this to a vote, it=E2=80=99s finally happening:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php7timeline#vote
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cast your vote!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Zeev
>>>=20
>>> Morning Zeev,
>>>=20
>>>         Proposed milestones column needs to change from mid October to
>>> November.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers
>>> Joe
>>>=20
>>>=20
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>>=20
>> Looks good, except I think you should remove the language expressing opin=
ion about the general merits of backwards compatibility, as that falls outsi=
de the scope of the timeline being voted on.  Plus it's an issue that really=
 should be discussed and, if needed, voted on separately, not as a single se=
ntence stuffed into an RFC about a release timeline.  If I were to vote yes o=
n this timeline, I would not want my vote interpreted as an endorsement of t=
hat position on BC.  I think it's overreach and scope creep that should be r=
emoved.
>>=20
>> Other than that one serious (but easily fixable) flaw, I think it's great=
!
>>=20
>> --Kris
>=20

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