Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:79048 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 12280 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2014 18:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Nov 2014 18:47:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.54 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.54 mail-pa0-f54.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.54] ([209.85.220.54:41386] helo=mail-pa0-f54.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3C/C0-07686-4573E645 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:47:48 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fb1so3106128pad.13 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l2mW/qjWVRT+ccNP0faYMmsl4Qpnn66AZnJicC/KVkA=; b=ar5R6QuVmYqH86NUkLaVjp3J3h0d1IPp3rGIXsljZZjdGNN6MFqkswleKgvFVwzcwH ndXt4H4Ohxs1NEksc929a0QkA6HwwC+kffmik9GYTrptJS94NuWuwoiwaHAKBIKtJH4k PlUEU+efKO4MMuGow7/6uY3NUePrX6SdS+RCsjUKdihkN9yqrLkeLAX8CHmuUPuRgRxp RRX+uTOfsFFRRVZM9zaK59VMwFp0UN5s3w0fSMhsjZo0f4tNFAEDGZIYH/u7BCzh6nHZ XBrfluecelt3afN4n4ACifcYk6f9e+TC4UpfpgjVi/ymVJm5xtIWT7bBi7WnCFW8B48y IRpw== X-Received: by 10.66.140.69 with SMTP id re5mr58753445pab.18.1416509264733; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from stas-air.corp.wikimedia.org (tan4.corp.wikimedia.org. [198.73.209.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uj7sm2735066pac.4.2014.11.20.10.47.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <546E374E.8050606@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:47:42 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rowan Collins , PHP Internals List References: <546B0F62.1090705@gmail.com> <546B95F2.2050504@gmail.com> <546BBF4F.8040806@gmail.com> <919EDD0D-F0F4-430A-A84B-96A32DF45E7B@ajf.me> <546BCE21.7080403@gmail.com> <546BD0E8.6020609@gmail.com> <546BD206.9040800@gmail.com> <546BD451.4070909@gmail.com> <546BDEAE.2010102@gmail.com> <546BF769.9090408@gmail.com> <6120240B-1493-4805-90FF-C0EE38795B89@gmail.com> <546D3968.8040702@gmail.com> <546DB62F.7060200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <546DB62F.7060200@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Default constructors From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > Well, as others have pointed out, HHVM behaves differently in this case, And? > so I guess what I'm getting at is: is this considered a feature *of the > language*, or just a known oddity of the *implementation*? If it's part I do not think the standard should require it, as whoever using this for anything, one way or another, is doing it very, very wrong, but that's how it works now. > other implementations can emulate it (or decide to deviate from it); if > not, then it seems appropriate to talk of "fixing" rather than > "changing" it. The choice of emotionally charged term is up to whoever uses it, my point was just that this was a deliberate intentional decision, not an unintentional mistake, and any change there has BC consequences. I think this point is well made by now, so unless there is something new to say, I'll refrain from discussing it further. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com