Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78996 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 39217 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2014 14:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Nov 2014 14:36:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=narf@devilix.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=narf@devilix.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain devilix.net designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: narf@devilix.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.178 mail-ob0-f178.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.178] ([209.85.214.178:34127] helo=mail-ob0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AF/E3-15892-2FAAC645 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:36:36 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id gq1so500355obb.37 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:36:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=devilix.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WnjxdJc9kB3jscVqxztpnPHBDNB8hCJ1e6DF9sRwIX4=; b=djEe6WtMQAYAF/Owz39wfDF9cIOi6MNickDMJRZRCaQMeB37V6/+4jwMWICxZIXrx6 ffZoTQgTPh3+XjaFPXXmwxubeVMLScbKr2cym4tn6lBvFK+YZUNg/PvPPe6ZpCPOrUuj Qjn2Gk54vxeBvDcTWvd0oPyz1TK7K5HkDCudo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WnjxdJc9kB3jscVqxztpnPHBDNB8hCJ1e6DF9sRwIX4=; b=ZeZJZRdgqD9elZZiPikN9Cw+8qYXGfKN8z6dXjER2e5tNW5DDGYCs3HuWq6yw8Qo5c BqI51EwAwyz9HkFuMGtYlmMuB7a06K87zZnLvUEzBmwstg09hMQWubaaQoga1RUd42Oy at5AgRwpqmpIOIcvZpI3Eic2BKcC2tx/cPFtOtz8warzcsHg8h8Zklym/spKAzFAya82 1XUCkMGUZmkNwZ2wooiu0Fwy9JiXhYqvA6fqbc4toXze8Q0mfKl5RJuyBJprnWX1XTEi 3ATe33ZBXoUGnJ+PFSCClCuuHYcYYwymx7dGpjmJ7ZFO0SOyRS3yMbTeTnDyANcVyAai 3oVw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmzF68KNokSaearwRSxln5xVBxL0LM1LPrVlyf63u4KrZifKeEg+e84G6Vamg3BOtsc8MIa MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.28.40 with SMTP id y8mr1196858obg.57.1416407792295; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.214.146 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:36:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141119143329.GX2294@phcomp.co.uk> References: <546C9E22.6090301@fedoraproject.org> <20141119134632.GV2294@phcomp.co.uk> <546CA8C0.1060707@gmail.com> <20141119143329.GX2294@phcomp.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:36:32 +0200 Message-ID: To: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove PHP 4 Constructors From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev) Hi, On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Alain Williams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:27:12PM +0000, Rowan Collins wrote: > >> PEAR is not a single organisation who can mass update all the >> modules; the guidelines could be updated, if they haven't been >> already, but there would still be a whole repository full of >> libraries which used this. >> >> Now, whether that's acceptable or not, I don't know, but it does >> highlight the size of the compatibility break. > > How many servers are stuck on PHP 4 ? > > Of those 'stuck' servers, how many have applications still under active > development ? > > The point is: how many people would get annoyed if PEAR stopped supporting PHP 4 ? > > IMHO: making PHP 5.3+ the PEAR baseline would not seem unreasonable. Nope. The point is, how much of that code *depends on PHP4-style constructors*, which work perfectly fine in PHP 5.x. Regardless, it's time to put it in the past, so a +1 from me for this RFC. Cheers, Andrey.