Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78944 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83617 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2014 14:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Nov 2014 14:19:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.47 mail-wg0-f47.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.47] ([74.125.82.47:43433] helo=mail-wg0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 15/82-63415-C655B645 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:19:24 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n12so5634057wgh.20 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:19:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3FXXh5Lj9YfjNSQjjJk4gmkQWqyVWKKRNlp6UdlH9tg=; b=gUzY/4zHDDHgamffRSE6a41DSh0VgyP5PbQW8kWO4njDCi+2jht3i1DeLHO6Vc/Wki i6qQ8B50mdVnyWpomuQiyIUrkdqRnblARUOkjb9PuMwttF6wUOOA/Pj0adtCyyswt1Ur O0rDrtxrpCUJXA1Xsw9lLWI5A+uYw/QdCc8CUasHI/eo8LHMWTEM+EtNCB8efhFkCClD uqQuDrg/GMYxTFfoZQBAKYRWnia/SXmufZYb2B+KCXAgdqenBM50vxZ43Ro6WgUaV4Km 6S03VRzSs53SkKNloZ++0Ohn9xmFCuBu2YTPJBoz1Kws/k/n0g29VgfRWvf5YKQZP1k5 u7KA== X-Received: by 10.180.107.1 with SMTP id gy1mr39855522wib.8.1416320360384; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.148] ([62.189.198.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dr5sm19738141wib.4.2014.11.18.06.19.16 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:19:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <546B5562.4030907@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:19:14 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <546B0F62.1090705@gmail.com> <546B3D07.2090203@hoa-project.net> <7B7BA983-3A5B-4FB1-8C02-0B88C81407C2@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <7B7BA983-3A5B-4FB1-8C02-0B88C81407C2@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Default constructors From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Andrea Faulds wrote on 18/11/2014 13:11: >> On 18 Nov 2014, at 12:47, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Ivan Enderlin @ Hoa < >> ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello :-), >>> >>> Is it not simpler to create a super-object whom all objects are children >>> of? Something similar to the Java `Object`? >> yeah, this was also a suggested alternative when discussing this problem >> previously(see the link in my previous mail). > I'd certainly like it if everything descended from some class (Object? StdClass?), but I don't like the idea of an empty construct. As Anthony pointed out last time, you can't do inheritance and simultaneously treat the parent class as a black box. The thing is that without any way of monkey-patching the default object, there isn't much difference between "all objects have a default constructor" and "all objects have a default parent", other than "$foo instanceOf Object" always returning true. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]