Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78633 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 27116 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2014 13:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Nov 2014 13:03:49 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.214 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.214 mail4-2.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.214] ([217.147.176.214:45057] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4F/C3-06676-4BEC8545 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 08:03:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 23268 invoked by uid 89); 4 Nov 2014 13:03:45 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 23247, pid: 23261, t: 0.2019s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.8?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@86.163.79.60) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2014 13:03:44 -0000 Message-ID: <5458CEAF.7060204@lsces.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:03:43 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Debugging code ... From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On the basis of 'If it's not broken', what is actually broken, and what is just a matter of 'I don't like that way of working'? I have a working Annotation system that has not changed since I started working with PHP. PHPEclise simple displays the information from the docblock comments and allows me to open the relevant file. I can then review the other functions available. I can update the material and have even resorted to porting files and adding extra notes when trying to decipher other peoples work. The problem these days is that projects are stripping the docblock data as 'not the modern way of doing things' and we end up with code that does not work with the IDE. Fortunately DVCS systems have some other advantages and one can cherry pick code changes while maintaining a different style of working. In addition to 'Annotation', there is a lot of discussion about adding types into the code. Having moved to using arrays to pass data to functions, the docblock material includes details on what is required in the hash, something that you will never get from any of the current discussions? Just to add to the fun, PHPEclipse seems to have lost support and while I have learnt enough Java in the past to fix a few little niggles, currently it is unable to cope with a number of new developments in PHP so I'm stuck on just what IS the next move ... While it would be nice to get on with some new code, nothing is stable enough these days to allow that :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk