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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 01:14:55 +0200
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To: Levi Morrison <levim@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Annotation PHP 7
From: ua.san.alex@gmail.com ("S.A.N")

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Nothing magical in the annotations no, they very obvious.
It gives you the to declare logic and meta data.
I do not like annotated in comments, I like the implementation of
annotation in C#

2014-11-04 0:49 GMT+02:00 Levi Morrison <levim@php.net>:

> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
> wrote:
> > On 11/3/14, 10:37 AM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/03/2014 05:26 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 4, 2014 1:24 AM, "Jonah H. Harris" <jonah.harris@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Chris Wright <cw@daverandom.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> There are no current concrete plans and currently nothing being
> >>>
> >>> seriously
> >>>>>
> >>>>> discussed (at least, not publicly; I don't know if anyone has
> anything
> >>>
> >>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>> pipeline that they haven't announced yet). The three RFCs you linked
> >>>
> >>> above
> >>>>>
> >>>>> are all basically dead.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are of course welcome to put together a proposal and/or start up
> a
> >>>>> discussion on the subject if it is something you would be prepared to
> >>>
> >>> put
> >>>>>
> >>>>> work into.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I, for one, severely dislike annotations. But, that's why there's an
> RFC
> >>>> process :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I tend to think it is not a taste matter anymore. Symfony ecosystem
> >>> (components, doctrine and co), Zend framework, etc use them. We see
> >>> requests to work around user land implementation but we keep us away to
> >>> get
> >>> native support. Maybe it is time to the jump and get rid of our tastes,
> >>> like years ago when we discussed which kind of OO we wanted in php. At
> >>> the
> >>> end of the day we do what we did not want back then.
> >>
> >>
> >> The TYPO3-family (TYPO3 CMS, Flow, Neos) also use annotations.
> >> So, yes it is used "in the wild" already and is there to stay. We can
> >> imho just make it a bit easier to work with (maybe also performance-wise
> >> in some cases) etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>   Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> > Drupal is now using annotations as well; not for the Symfony code we've
> > inherited, actually, but for some home-grown systems for which we're
> using
> > Doctrine's annotation library.
> >
> > Having first-class language support for metadata on definitions would be
> > quite helpful, if for no other reason than native syntax checking and
> code
> > assistance.  (And to help people get over the "it's code in comments!!!"
> > problem, which is entirely because we have to put annotations in comments
> > now as a hack due to the lack of native support.)
>
> Whether the annotation is in a comment or not, the idea of changing
> behavior at runtime based on the annotation is pretty magical. I
> highly discourage using this type of feature whether it's in a comment
> or not.
>
> I will certainly vote no on any RFC on this subject, as I see it as
> being significantly more harmful than helpful.
>
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