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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Annotation PHP 7
From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield)

On 11/3/14, 10:37 AM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> On 11/03/2014 05:26 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 2014 1:24 AM, "Jonah H. Harris" <jonah.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Chris Wright <cw@daverandom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are no current concrete plans and currently nothing being
>> seriously
>>>> discussed (at least, not publicly; I don't know if anyone has anything
>> in
>>>> pipeline that they haven't announced yet). The three RFCs you linked
>> above
>>>> are all basically dead.
>>>>
>>>> You are of course welcome to put together a proposal and/or start up a
>>>> discussion on the subject if it is something you would be prepared to
>> put
>>>> work into.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I, for one, severely dislike annotations. But, that's why there's an RFC
>>> process :)
>>
>> I tend to think it is not a taste matter anymore. Symfony ecosystem
>> (components, doctrine and co), Zend framework, etc use them. We see
>> requests to work around user land implementation but we keep us away to get
>> native support. Maybe it is time to the jump and get rid of our tastes,
>> like years ago when we discussed which kind of OO we wanted in php. At the
>> end of the day we do what we did not want back then.
>
> The TYPO3-family (TYPO3 CMS, Flow, Neos) also use annotations.
> So, yes it is used "in the wild" already and is there to stay. We can
> imho just make it a bit easier to work with (maybe also performance-wise
> in some cases) etc.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>   Stefan


Drupal is now using annotations as well; not for the Symfony code we've 
inherited, actually, but for some home-grown systems for which we're 
using Doctrine's annotation library.

Having first-class language support for metadata on definitions would be 
quite helpful, if for no other reason than native syntax checking and 
code assistance.  (And to help people get over the "it's code in 
comments!!!" problem, which is entirely because we have to put 
annotations in comments now as a hack due to the lack of native support.)

--Larry Garfield