Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78582 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57614 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2014 16:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Nov 2014 16:37:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=neufeind@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=neufeind@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 91.184.32.3 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: neufeind@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 91.184.32.3 mail.speedpartner.de Received: from [91.184.32.3] ([91.184.32.3:34951] helo=mail.speedpartner.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B0/00-57494-63FA7545 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:37:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.speedpartner.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0181060C52 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.speedpartner.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.speedpartner.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kUfQVW1TQgkC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from collab.speedpartner.de (collab.speedpartner.de [91.184.32.10]) by mail.speedpartner.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D645860BDA for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collab.speedpartner.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A903E635A3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from collab.speedpartner.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (collab.speedpartner.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 0Ny_9VmuGa1y for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collab.speedpartner.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4E0E635A6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at collab.speedpartner.de Received: from collab.speedpartner.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (collab.speedpartner.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id cT8XHl4KNKP3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (dslb-084-062-077-060.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de [84.62.77.60]) by collab.speedpartner.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D83CE635A3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:37:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5457AF2F.90808@php.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:37:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Annotation PHP 7 From: neufeind@php.net (Stefan Neufeind) On 11/03/2014 05:26 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Nov 4, 2014 1:24 AM, "Jonah H. Harris" wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Chris Wright wrote: >> >>> There are no current concrete plans and currently nothing being > seriously >>> discussed (at least, not publicly; I don't know if anyone has anything > in >>> pipeline that they haven't announced yet). The three RFCs you linked > above >>> are all basically dead. >>> >>> You are of course welcome to put together a proposal and/or start up a >>> discussion on the subject if it is something you would be prepared to > put >>> work into. >>> >> >> I, for one, severely dislike annotations. But, that's why there's an RFC >> process :) > > I tend to think it is not a taste matter anymore. Symfony ecosystem > (components, doctrine and co), Zend framework, etc use them. We see > requests to work around user land implementation but we keep us away to get > native support. Maybe it is time to the jump and get rid of our tastes, > like years ago when we discussed which kind of OO we wanted in php. At the > end of the day we do what we did not want back then. The TYPO3-family (TYPO3 CMS, Flow, Neos) also use annotations. So, yes it is used "in the wild" already and is there to stay. We can imho just make it a bit easier to work with (maybe also performance-wise in some cases) etc. Kind regards, Stefan