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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made
 phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...)
From: jpauli@php.net (Julien Pauli)

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM, David Muir <davidkmuir@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 29/10/2014, at 12:43 AM, Julien Pauli <jpauli@php.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Soria Parra <dsp@php.net> wrote:
>>> On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
>>>>>> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for =
it.
>>>>>> They just initially requested it because they didn=E2=80=99t knew an=
y better protocol. That=E2=80=99s all.
>>>>>
>>>>> PHPStorm like PHP-FIG have their own agendas which do not play well w=
ith
>>>>> other groups of developers. Just because one thinks an idea is good d=
oes
>>>>> not mean that everybody else has to adopt it. So what becomes 'main
>>>>> stream' has to have common consensus and the voting rules provide tha=
t.
>>>>>
>>>>> When was the vote on this rework taken?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lester Caine - G8HFL
>>>>> -----------------------------
>>>>> Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=3Dcontact
>>>>> L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
>>>>> EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
>>>>> Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
>>>>> Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> There wasn=E2=80=99t any vote and there won=E2=80=99t.
>>>>
>>>> /dev/null likes to listen to your complaints why we should have voted =
on it.
>>>
>>> step back a bit here, stay professional, there is no need for passive
>>> aggressiveness.
>>>>
>>>> But now it=E2=80=99s in, let=E2=80=99s rather try to improve what=E2=
=80=99s there than screaming for a vote - it won=E2=80=99t help anyone and =
hinder possible work on improving the current thing.
>>>
>>> From what I see, the complan is about the initial protocol and not abou=
t
>>> how to improve it or not. This whole protocol business needed an RFC,
>>> which I haven't seen. So we should come up with a good way of deciding
>>> which protocol to use and how to implement it. Before this, I would str=
ongly
>>> vote to not incldue the current verison in PHP 7 at all. Also let me po=
int
>>> out that the code belogns to everyone and everyone will have to deal wi=
th it
>>> so we better make an informed decision now.
>>
>> Hello people.
>>
>> When PHP 5.6 has been released, few weeks/months ago, I explicitely
>> stated Ferenc (RMing 5.6 together with me), that *it is not a normal
>> thing to have an external domain for phpdbg*
>>
>> This has never happened before, FWIR
>
> FYI, PHP-FPM still has a separate website.

Yep, this came to my ears recently.
I forgot about it.

I have nothing against external web site, as soon as the PHP doc is
clear, up-to-date and detailed.
For phpdbg , this is actually not the case (yet ?), there is WIP however.

Julien.P