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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:10:06 +1100
To: Julien Pauli <jpauli@php.net>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...)
From: davidkmuir@gmail.com (David Muir)


On 29/10/2014, at 12:43 AM, Julien Pauli <jpauli@php.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Soria Parra <dsp@php.net> wrote:
>> On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>:
>>>>=20
>>>> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote:
>>>>> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it=
.
>>>>> They just initially requested it because they didn=81ft knew any bette=
r protocol. That=81fs all.
>>>>=20
>>>> PHPStorm like PHP-FIG have their own agendas which do not play well wit=
h
>>>> other groups of developers. Just because one thinks an idea is good doe=
s
>>>> not mean that everybody else has to adopt it. So what becomes 'main
>>>> stream' has to have common consensus and the voting rules provide that.=

>>>>=20
>>>> When was the vote on this rework taken?
>>>>=20
>>>> --
>>>> Lester Caine - G8HFL
>>>> -----------------------------
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>>>=20
>>> There wasn=81ft any vote and there won=81ft.
>>>=20
>>> /dev/null likes to listen to your complaints why we should have voted on=
 it.
>>=20
>> step back a bit here, stay professional, there is no need for passive
>> aggressiveness.
>>>=20
>>> But now it=81fs in, let=81fs rather try to improve what=81fs there than s=
creaming for a vote - it won=81ft help anyone and hinder possible work on im=
proving the current thing.
>>=20
>> =46rom what I see, the complan is about the initial protocol and not abou=
t
>> how to improve it or not. This whole protocol business needed an RFC,
>> which I haven't seen. So we should come up with a good way of deciding
>> which protocol to use and how to implement it. Before this, I would stron=
gly
>> vote to not incldue the current verison in PHP 7 at all. Also let me poin=
t
>> out that the code belogns to everyone and everyone will have to deal with=
 it
>> so we better make an informed decision now.
>=20
> Hello people.
>=20
> When PHP 5.6 has been released, few weeks/months ago, I explicitely
> stated Ferenc (RMing 5.6 together with me), that *it is not a normal
> thing to have an external domain for phpdbg*
>=20
> This has never happened before, FWIR

FYI, PHP-FPM still has a separate website.

Cheers,
>=20
David=