Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78395 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 71538 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2014 17:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Oct 2014 17:27:59 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.114.215.11 experimentalworks.net Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:27:57 -0500 Received: from [217.114.215.11] ([217.114.215.11:14381] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A1/F2-56216-D908E445 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:27:57 -0500 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <1414217636.2624.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: X-Posted-By: 217.114.215.11 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...) From: dsp@php.net (David Soria Parra) On 2014-10-26, Bob Weinand wrote: >> Am 26.10.2014 um 17:23 schrieb Lester Caine : >> >> On 26/10/14 15:41, Bob Weinand wrote: >>> Ask them at PhpStorm. They were pleased to not have to use DBGp for it. >>> They just initially requested it because they didn’t knew any better protocol. That’s all. >> >> PHPStorm like PHP-FIG have their own agendas which do not play well with >> other groups of developers. Just because one thinks an idea is good does >> not mean that everybody else has to adopt it. So what becomes 'main >> stream' has to have common consensus and the voting rules provide that. >> >> When was the vote on this rework taken? >> >> -- >> Lester Caine - G8HFL >> ----------------------------- >> Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact >> L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk >> EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ >> Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk >> Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk > > There wasn’t any vote and there won’t. > > /dev/null likes to listen to your complaints why we should have voted on it. step back a bit here, stay professional, there is no need for passive aggressiveness. > > But now it’s in, let’s rather try to improve what’s there than screaming for a vote - it won’t help anyone and hinder possible work on improving the current thing. From what I see, the complan is about the initial protocol and not about how to improve it or not. This whole protocol business needed an RFC, which I haven't seen. So we should come up with a good way of deciding which protocol to use and how to implement it. Before this, I would strongly vote to not incldue the current verison in PHP 7 at all. Also let me point out that the code belogns to everyone and everyone will have to deal with it so we better make an informed decision now. Thanks