Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78347 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34335 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2014 15:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Oct 2014 15:31:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=bobwei9@hotmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=bobwei9@hotmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain hotmail.com designates 65.55.111.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: bobwei9@hotmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 65.55.111.172 blu004-omc4s33.hotmail.com Received: from [65.55.111.172] ([65.55.111.172:53182] helo=BLU004-OMC4S33.hotmail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 57/3D-36207-4C31D445 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:31:16 -0500 Received: from BLU436-SMTP143 ([65.55.111.137]) by BLU004-OMC4S33.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sun, 26 Oct 2014 08:31:11 -0700 X-TMN: [GT8ZdxsPellgdSxZWHMK1VgggPCOHxZx] X-Originating-Email: [bobwei9@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:31:05 +0100 CC: Andrea Faulds , PHP Developers Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1414217636.2624.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> To: Derick Rethans X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2014 15:31:09.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDB40DD0:01CFF131] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...) From: bobwei9@hotmail.com (Bob Weinand) > Am 26.10.2014 um 16:26 schrieb Derick Rethans : >=20 > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>> On 26 Oct 2014, at 15:09, Derick Rethans wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> A few weeks ago, I was at a conference where you told a room filled=20= >>>> with hundreds of developers that phpdbg was no good, because you=20 >>>> don't know how to use it. >>>=20 >>> I was being polite. I should have told them it is useles for any of=20= >>> our users, instead of blaming it (wrongly) on my own ineptitude. >>=20 >> Perhaps you could=E2=80=99ve actually talked about its benefits. I = went to=20 >> that talk too. You showed off stuff vld can do=E2=80=A6 and neglected = to=20 >> mention that phpdbg could do the same things. >=20 > Some of it, certainly. A future version of the talk (ie, next week at=20= > ZendCon) will show the difference, so that the audience can judge for=20= > themselves what is better. >=20 > cheers, > Derick I=E2=80=99m certain it=E2=80=99ll still be biased somehow. Would be = great if you could share with us what you=E2=80=99ll tell them, then = maybe you can do a constructive talk about it. Thanks, Bob=