Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:78344 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29940 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2014 15:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Oct 2014 15:26:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:51250] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 86/3C-36207-3921D445 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:26:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4023511BAF1; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:26:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Andrea Faulds cc: PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1414217636.2624.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323329-767597380-1414337168=:4012" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...) From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) --8323329-767597380-1414337168=:4012 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote: >=20 > > On 26 Oct 2014, at 15:09, Derick Rethans wrote: > >=20 > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Joe Watkins wrote: > >=20 > >> On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote: > >>=20 > >> A few weeks ago, I was at a conference where you told a room filled=20 > >> with hundreds of developers that phpdbg was no good, because you=20 > >> don't know how to use it. > >=20 > > I was being polite. I should have told them it is useles for any of=20 > > our users, instead of blaming it (wrongly) on my own ineptitude. >=20 > Perhaps you could=E2=80=99ve actually talked about its benefits. I went t= o=20 > that talk too. You showed off stuff vld can do=E2=80=A6 and neglected to= =20 > mention that phpdbg could do the same things. Some of it, certainly. A future version of the talk (ie, next week at=20 ZendCon) will show the difference, so that the audience can judge for=20 themselves what is better. cheers, Derick --8323329-767597380-1414337168=:4012--